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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
PostPosted: August 16th, 2012, 8:12 pm 
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I am very sorry to hear about Lenny :cry:, but I also accept it.
Thank you Dr Madis for the information, and for taking care of him.


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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
PostPosted: August 16th, 2012, 8:21 pm 
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Maybe that is stupid but how I wish that the fate of such birds(to euthanize of stay them alive) could have been solved by a forum poll.

We would not allow such a poll to be posted on this forum.

It is a decision that can be made only by professional veterinarians who have knowledge of the injury and can see what the future for the bird will be like.


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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
PostPosted: August 16th, 2012, 8:47 pm 
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What sad news about "our" injured storklet Image

All the days had the hope that it would recover and had the chance to become an independent storklet being able to migrate and live a "normal" storks life ...

I´m absolutely sure that Doc Madis did what ever he could to help - thank you very much for all your efforts! :nod:

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I would never have taken part of it - to decide about living or death is NOT a purpose of an internet forum members. Image
No matter how ambitioned we are observing and trying to learn and understand everything here.

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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
PostPosted: August 16th, 2012, 8:51 pm 
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It's sad to hear this news about Lenny.
If an animal doesn't (or couldn't) eat by himself it's not easy so feed them. But we could only imagine how stressful it is to feed an animal who isn't tame. The stress of the animal is enormous.
It's sad but I thank Dr. Madis so much for all he had done for Lenny ( and the other animals).
And thanks a lot he has informed us all the time.


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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
PostPosted: August 16th, 2012, 9:13 pm 
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Poor Lenny, it's sad but it's the right decision ... if he had not been taken in the clinic he would have already died of hunger in suffering :blush:


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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
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This might be a good moment to give some donations,however small to help Dr. Madis to continue his work with wildlfe in Estonia.

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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
PostPosted: August 16th, 2012, 11:33 pm 
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That is a great idea, macdoum!


AND

If anyone would like to introduce themselves to the forum and say where they live, we have a new topic in the Social Corner just for that: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=495

(I went first ... :laugh: )



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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
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I just want to thank Dr. Madis for his efforts to help Lenny :bow:


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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
PostPosted: August 17th, 2012, 6:54 am 
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macdoum wrote:
This might be a good moment to give some donations,however small to help Dr. Madis to continue his work with wildlfe in Estonia.

I found this info from one of Dr Madis' first posts:
viewtopic.php?p=149125#p149125

Madis Leivits, DVM
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Estonian Fund for Nature

http://www.metsloom.ee (English page)
http://www.elfond.ee

Donation page: http://www.metsloom.ee/en/help-wild-animals/donate


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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
PostPosted: August 17th, 2012, 8:25 am 
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asteria wrote:
Maybe that is stupid but how I wish that the fate of such birds(to euthanize of stay them alive) could have been solved by a forum poll.


I would never want to have to decide something like that. I have been watching the black storks for a couple of years. Love them also the osprey and the eagles both here and in the states.
I had to put my baby girl to sleep and it was the hardest thing I ever decided. Even now I cry and doubt my decision. Vet said it was for the best, she was very sick. It was the most loving thing I could do for her, she passed in my arms 10 years ago, and I cry right now.
That is not an easy decision to make and I am sure Dr. Madis is doing what is best for Lenny.
I want to thank him very much for trying as hard as he did to help him and then doing the best for Lenny.
Good night all


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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
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I had another experience three years ago. When my father-in-law had the last stage of cancer, also got radiation damage because of wrong treatment and was in coma, he couldn't breath himself and the doctors said: "He dies very soon. If you want to support him alive, the medicine will cost 400 euro a day". And we did pay it despite it was completely useless and he died in three days. Not to support him was out of question. And yes, the doctors were amazed we made that choice.


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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
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NancyM wrote:
macdoum wrote:
This might be a good moment to give some donations,however small to help Dr. Madis to continue his work with wildlfe in Estonia.

I found this info from one of Dr Madis' first posts:
viewtopic.php?p=149125#p149125

Madis Leivits, DVM
Expert-veterinary
Estonian Fund for Nature

http://www.metsloom.ee (English page)
http://www.elfond.ee

Donation page: http://www.metsloom.ee/en/help-wild-animals/donate


I only wish it was as easy to donate also to Kotkaklubi- Eagle Club...press a button on paypal... :help:

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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
PostPosted: August 18th, 2012, 3:35 pm 
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Many thanks to Dr. Madis Leivits for all his efforts!

Although it surely was a very hard and sad decision he had to take I am sure he did the right thing.

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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
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I want to step forward and say that the previous comment by "troglodytes" is terribly wrong!


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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
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I understood Lenny (the stork) can´t eat by himself. So he wouldn´t manage in the zoo either. Unless somebody is forcing him to eat, which is stressfull. Especially if it´s not temporary. Also I understood the beak can not be fixed properly, so that it would be functional enough. For me it sounds Lenny is not capable to live in zoo either. I think the animal must be able to eat by himself, if he lives in zoo.


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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
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I totally agree with you starling :thumbs:


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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
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:whistling: I see many members here.... but no one is posting :slap:


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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
PostPosted: August 19th, 2012, 8:00 am 
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Take care Everyone :wave:


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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
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DB53 wrote:
:whistling: I see many members here.... but no one is posting :slap:


I think everybody are watching the osprey family. :D
And maybe it´s just better to ignore some posts here. I don´t want to see any arguing here either. I wish everybody could be polite to each others here even though they don´t agree with each others opinions.

I also understand many of us can be disappointed because Lenny can´t be saved. But it is not fair to blame or accuse the doctor, who has done voluntary work with Lenny 6 weeks or so. :wave:


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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
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Very well said Starling :thumbs:


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