Black Stork Webcam Discussion 2009

[Olga]

I made a little folder of the visitor of today. Here are 11 pictures from the right side of the visitor Black stork. You can make comparitions if you want to Donna's profile! Some pics are Fraps shots from the web cam and some from Pontu.
11 pictures.

http://s281.photobucket.com/albums/kk22 ... =slideshow

three pics, the right 'eye'.

[Olga]

And then the left side. It's propably important, if you make comparitions to other Black storks, to compare the same side of the profiles..

The today's visitor from the left side.

slideshow, 7 pictures

http://s281.photobucket.com/albums/kk22 ... =slideshow

Pontu and FRAPS pictures

[Jo UK]

Good pictures, Renandeli. Thanks.
Looking at his right profile, it is easy to see the deep groove down the length of the upper beak. I wonder about the age of this stork.

[Lili]

Why not to share


First and second rows are a visitor on 10th May (from Pontu)
3th row is Toomas's first visit

4 and 5th row - Donna last year (just for comparing)

Ps I'm 100% sure todays visitor was the same B stork who was 10th May in the nest (both have " broken" back-feathers+ long beak, darker in the middle), not sure he is Toomas, better to call all stranges Toomas

[Lili]

One more thing about 10th May....there were 2 visits (I wonder why Pontu doesn't open those pics anymore)

12.00 + something
and 13.00+ something (minutes)

The 12.00 BS had shiny and healthy looking feathers
the 13.00 was like todays

I will edit my post and mistakes tomorrow

EDIT:
Visitor on 15May, back feathers look like ripped, it has something white on its right wing (-angle)


Visitor on 10May 13.14-13.28 (right wing...same white)



Its only pic I have saved, unfortunately Pontu don't open pics before 15May
but Renandeli saved slideshow (where can see "ripped" feathers)
http://s281.photobucket.com/albums/kk22 ... =slideshow

My point: yesterday's BS is the same who visited on 10 May
But I'm not sure it's Toomas

[NancyM]

16 May

05:00 the only difference between this morning and yesterday is that a few rags :protest: have been moved (I missed the visit, thank you for the pictures)

[vaino]

5:22, Same picture - empty nest, no storks. Keep watching, we never know what this day will bring !!!

[Reptile]

The problem is that under different angles and different lighting market eyes and beak look differently!
Good morning all!
...Lily, thanks for the great work!
And I would say that Donna is very similar photo on the photo Lady of May 10:
1. Slot from the rostral sites. 2 small red lump over the eye area

[asteria]

I think it is a new female stork. If it was Donna, why did not she wait for Padis?

[unp]

Why not to share


First and second rows are a visitor on 10th May (from Pontu)
3th row is Toomas's first visit

4 and 5th row - Donna last year (just for comparing)

Ps I'm 100% sure todays visitor was the same B stork who was 10th May in the nest (both have " broken" back-feathers+ long beak, darker in the middle), not sure he is Toomas, better to call all stranges Toomas

Hmm... Took Lili's pic and measured beaks (length and width at the base in pixels, using ImageJ) in images (# of row - # of image in the row), selecting images with minimal visual distortions (beak as parallel to the cam matrix plane as possible to avoid the foreshortening effect). Then calculated the length-to-width ratio (rounded).

May 10
1-1 130.40 (length) : 27.75 (width) = 4.7
1-3 120.13 : 24.95 = 4.8
2-3 121.87 : 25.52 = 4.8

April 5, Toomas
3-1 115.59 : 21.97 = 5.3
3-2 122.41 : 22.92 = 5.3

Donna
4-2 110.52 : 21.94 = 5.0
5-1 122.42 : 23.73 = 5.15
5-3 97.70 : 19.14 = 5.1

Can it mean anything? What would be the range of statistical or measurement error?

[asteria]

A young female I think, younger than Donna.

BTW: how can we be sure that Donna in 2007 was the same Donna in 2008?

[Reptile]

I think it is a new female stork. If it was Donna, why did not she wait for Padis?

She went to seek his ((((
And you are absolutely right, Donna may be 2.
...unp, means of rostral we have three different birds

[Reptile]

Would you please tell me how to download the Dutch birds on the computer? Here here, for example: http://www.beleefdelente.nl/slechtvalk

[Olga]

I watched more careful the visitors of the day the 10th May

Are there two visitors the 10th May, or has something bad happened to his/her back weathers after 12:31 when he left? ..fighting or something else..Anyway the visitor who landed the nest at 13:... has different back weathers.

slideshow of the 'back feathers' the 10th May, 4+4 pictures

http://s281.photobucket.com/albums/kk22 ... =slideshow

edit: I submitted one picture more, a pic of the back wathers of the visitor of the 15th May scroll down to the last picture.

slideshow from the 15th May, 7 pictures

http://s281.photobucket.com/albums/kk22 ... =slideshow


1) The visitor at 12:22 and 12:25, look at the back weathers, they are all fine




2) The visitor at 13:16 and 13:21, look at the back weathers, they are 'defected', not that fine as on the pics at 12:..




edited: visitor of 15th May, yesterday, back weathers

[yarko]

A young female I think, younger than Donna.

BTW: how can we be sure that Donna in 2007 was the same Donna in 2008?

Good question asteria - actually we can't - that's what Urmas said too (if i'm not mistaken)

[Kuremari]

Morning
you guys have been really busy with different recearch works
thanks for that!

[Lili]

Hmm... Took Lili's pic and measured beaks (length and width at the base in pixels, using ImageJ) in images (# of row - # of image in the row), selecting images with minimal visual distortions (beak as parallel to the cam matrix plane as possible to avoid the foreshortening effect). Then calculated the length-to-width ratio (rounded).

May 10
1-1 130.40 (length) : 27.75 (width) = 4.7
1-3 120.13 : 24.95 = 4.8
2-3 121.87 : 25.52 = 4.8

April 5, Toomas
3-1 115.59 : 21.97 = 5.3
3-2 122.41 : 22.92 = 5.3

Donna
4-2 110.52 : 21.94 = 5.0
5-1 122.42 : 23.73 = 5.15
5-3 97.70 : 19.14 = 5.1

Can it mean anything? What would be the range of statistical or measurement error?

it means there are two storks , huge Toomas and tiny Toomas

videoclip of huge Toomas (April 5)
mms://video.eenet.ee/2009/k2009-04-05.asf
Its unbelievable beautiful BS

[Ricky]

Great Tit visited.

[Ricky]

I wasn´t here yesterday, but according to your pixtures I´m sure that yesterday´s visitor was NOT Toomas.

Here´s a pic of yesterday´s visitor (posted by kenny)


And here´s a pic of Toomas (posted by asteria)


When comparing the eye shape the difference is obvious.

But be careful: If you look at Kenny´s 1st post on page 75 viewtopic.php?f=2&t=100&start=1850 you see that yesterday´s visitor´s shape of his left eye is very different from the right one. The left eye is simliar to Toomas the right isn´t at all!

[Ricky]

Now I´m helpless. This is a pic posted by renandeli. It shows the right eye of yesterday´s visitor. Please compare with the upper pic in my post above. That pic shows the same eye. But it looks totally different!