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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
PostPosted: July 2nd, 2012, 6:11 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
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What heppened with Lenny's beak?

After Lucy had doubts, that Renny was injured during the ringing, I investigated the problem all the afternoon. Now I think that Lucy may have been right. After Renno left the nest a ring from metal or something like that was in the nest. This metal thing injured poor Lenny's beak. Lenny tried to eat it three times and swallowed it in the end.
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Thank you very much Macko50 for your photographs with swallowing.
But,
- Nestlings don't swallow hard items. During ringing the nestlings usually regurgitate some food, so after ringing there is always something to be eaten on the nest bottom. If it was swallowed, it was edible.
- During ringing ringers use only metal and plastic rings, nothing more. It is impossible that Renno left a metal ring (ring with the number) on the nest. Rings with number are strictly registered, so he couldn’t simply lost it. Other things are not used during ringing, so I think it was something which could be swallowed.

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Dear Piotr,

I didn't say that Renno left something in the nest. I sad there was a metal ring or something like that in the nest, I didn't say that Renno left it in the nest. As I see the second picture it is exactly a ring, but not the same which used by ringing, and after when Renny picked up it was visible the blood on it's beak. It must be a hard thing, because it injured it's beak, and Lenny swallowed this hard thing, as you can see on the video.

You are an expert, and I believe you, and apologize for my mistake, but I wanted the best for Renny.

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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
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Dear Piotr,

I didn't say that Renno left something in the nest. I sad there was a metal ring or something like that in the nest,
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Dear George,
Thank you very much once more for your photographs. Your detailed work allow us to discuss different scenarios. We don't know exactly what was swallowed but it is always better to exchange different views. I still hope you are wrong (you hope the same), and the item was not a metal (hard) ring.

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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
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I was away for weekend and found now that a bad story about 708R...
Can't get connected with Renno at the moment, but hope he will recall me in first possibility. My plan is to take that chick as soon as possible and treat it in Vet Clinic (there is quite well competence developed for wild birds during last couple of years).

Will let you know about news, if only can!
Thank you all for information shared in forum!


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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
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My plan is to take that chick as soon as possible and treat it in Vet Clinic (there is quite well competence developed for wild birds during last couple of years).

Will let you know about news, if only can!
Thank you all for information shared in forum!


Thank you Urmas!

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Urmas, thank you for relieving our worries.
Now we know that the chick will get the best attention, as soon as possible.


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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
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Various silly ideas come to my mind, I'm sorry. :blush: But I have to ask this question: Urmas or Piotr, is it - theoretically - possible that the stork could swallow for example a metal-bait used for fishing together with the fish? - something like this: http://www.allegaleria.pl/images/w4tkh8 ... 8t5bag.jpg . Have you met with such an unfortunate case in your (or your colleagues) work?


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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
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A year of two ago somebody placed the article about the stork who lost the half of his beak and vets made an him artificial one. Let us hope Lenny will recover too.



About the names: I noticed that the blackest storklet wasn't the largest one. Maybe I was mistaken, I don't
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Upd: I found the link to this article!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8057461.stm


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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
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Kelly was preening Lenny and now Lenny is preening himself! :loveshower:


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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
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Lenny (or 708R) really seems to have an injury in its beak on the right side: the right "jaw" seems to be broken. :unsure:
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thank you Urmas for getting some help to the poor bird! :wave:

EDIT: the Bucket is extremely slow these days.... here's at last a bigger picture.
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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
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Good morning Everybody! :wave:

9:27 Feeding
9:52 Feeding



9:27 Feeding (Slow motion)



9:52 Feeding (Slow motion)


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There was a feeding. Absolutely sure that Lenny has a big problems with swallowing. He can not swallow so quickly than its siblings. So finally he got only one or two fish may be.


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12:53 Feeding, #708R could not swallow the catched fish



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Lenny is preening again as others. Yesterday he didn't.


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There was a feeding. Absolutely sure that Lenny has a big problems with swallowing. He can not swallow so quickly than its siblings. So finally he got only one or two fish may be.


And the upper and the lower parts of it's beak don't overlap exactly, and Renny isn't so clever picking up a fish.

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14:53 - 14:55, Lenny is lying down, while his siblings are active with preening and wing exercise...
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Thank you all for your pictures videos and reports. And a huge thank you to those who contacted Jo, and Jo for contacting Urmas.

Urmas Thank you for your quick response and plans to remove and treat Lenny.

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Urmas wrote:
I was away for weekend and found now that a bad story about 708R...
Can't get connected with Renno at the moment, but hope he will recall me in first possibility. My plan is to take that chick as soon as possible and treat it in Vet Clinic (there is quite well competence developed for wild birds during last couple of years).

Will let you know about news, if only can!
Thank you all for information shared in forum!

You are so nice and caring, thank you so much :wave:


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