Lesser Spotted Eagle Webcam Discussion 2009 ~ Eha & Koit

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Jo UK wrote:I feel sure that they need to learn the lie of the land and arrange their own itinerary!
I have seen Tönns flying to and flo in Europe on a map, but think perhaps he has travelled whit train some year before after what asteria wrote. I think that a bird not find its homenest after it have been transported away. :puzzled: But carrier pigeons do that I think :unsure: or not...
They are perhaps trained for it .
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Tõnn did not travel by train, I mean that on his way back he found not only Estonia but went farther to the middle of Finland and then returned.
Interesting question though: is it better to get transport to winter quarters, or spend winter in care "at home"? Would transport disturb orientation especially for first-time migrants?
That is the question I don't know the answer myself.
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Tönn is at a dangerus place now.
I hope Spot has got her only accident and that we will se her again.
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oliv wrote: I have seen Tönns flying to and flo in Europe on a map, but think perhaps he has travelled whit train some year before after what asteria wrote. I think that a bird not find its homenest after it have been transported away. :puzzled: But carrier pigeons do that I think :unsure: or not...
They are perhaps trained for it .
I don't know how much training carrier pigeons need, if any. They have maybe been bred and selected because they are good at homing. People competing with them probably do train them.
How birds navigate seems to be a field with nearly any amount of research and theories. "Polarised light" and "magnetic forces" come to mind. But why they go where they go is a question too.
Have any of the birds that have had GPS changed their winter quarters?
Would Spot know where to go next autumn if he misses first year of migration? Or how to return, if he is transported the very first time? How would one know where to bring him?
(I am sure there are answers by Google to all that ... :blush: )
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Regarding assisted migration:

I have been checking in on the Operation Migration cam recently. This group is based in the US and is working to reintroduce Whooping Cranes. In the 1940s, there were only 14 individual birds left! Now there are about 500. In this project, the eggs are incubated and hatched in a facility in Patuxent, Maryland, then flown to a refuge in Wisconsin where they are raised. The chicks are trained to follow an ultralight aircraft and after several weeks of short and then longer flights, they follow the aircraft to wintering grounds in Florida. After that first time, they migrate on there own. All very complicated!
http://www.operationmigration.org/
cam link: http://www.wildearth.tv/web/omi-cam-01? ... omi-cam-01 (early morning their time is when training takes place, or click on one of the "hotspots" to see an interesting segment from the archives)

Anyway, I asked my wildlife rehabber/nutritionist friend why these birds needed to be shown the way, when other birds simply seem to "go." She replied that all birds have an innate sense (?perhaps a genetic memory) but some species needed to have the instinct "unlocked."
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Since Lesser Spotted Eagles travel on their own even the first time...

It is interesting even after all the studying on this topic there is so much to know, maybe because different species use a different variety of clues.

bociany thanks for the link for whooping cranes. I saw them once in Texas -- they are so amazingly beautiful.
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I posted this news first in a wrong topic.

Spot paraneb! In Finnish: Spot paranee! In English: Spot recovers! :loveshower:


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We are happy to see such good news on any topic, Olga!

Does it say if he has been released yet?
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Jo UK wrote:We are happy to see such good news on any topic, Olga!

Does it say if he has been released yet?
No, not yet. But Spot is fine. :D Spot has good appetite, he eats on his own, moves, walks.. soon will happen a flying experiment. The message is very positive, but I do not understand all.
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Spot :loveshower:
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That´s really good news!!! :loveshower:
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Liis wrote:LK article here http://www.looduskalender.ee/node/5181
Liis, thank you for the translation.
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Wonderfull :D Image
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Yes that is very good news. :loveshower:
Thats the way to go Spot.! :nod:
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Sounds very good!

Thanks Liis :bow:
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Wonderful news about Spot! :chick:

thank you, Liis! :loveshower:

(I wonder who it was that called Nigula and got the news?)
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In the article it is said about "flying exercises" but will Spot also have huntering excercises? He eats well himself, but can he get the prey himself?
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asteria wrote:In the article it is said about "flying exercises" but will Spot also have huntering excercises? He eats well himself, but can he get the prey himself?
That is a good question. I know I have seen things about training birds to hunt for themselves -- putting live food in to the flight cage -- but I suppose it depends on how a species hunts. A bird that relies on plummeting down from the sky would probably not have enough space in even a big cage.
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Great news about Spot!
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