White-tailed Eagles in Hungary

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ame wrote: it was so dark that i doubt if any human could have been there without any artificial light.
Well, theorizing, perhaps the alleged robber was equipped with night-vision goggles, which can not be excluded. If it was a man, I'm sure he was not an amateur and certainly he was well prepared.

As Starling said, we will never know what really happened. :sad:
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@ame, I completely agree with you!
Thank you for your comment.
At the right time.
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Thanks for rationalizing ame, I sure hope it was Marten or Eagle Owl...

I´ve seen a few times Bald Eagles protecting their nest from Raccoons successfully. That´s why this feels so bad and sad.. That all three chicks are gone. :(
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There will be a bulletin about the investigations in english in a short time. - sad the operator of the cam.
I will inform you about it.

This is a today's report on the hungarian RTL channel in hungarian.

http://www.rtlklub.hu/hirek/belfold/video/244409
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macko50 wrote:There will be a bulletin about the investigations in english in a short time. - sad the operator of the cam.
I will inform you about it.
Any news yet?
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Kukelke wrote: Any news yet?
Hello Kukelke,

there is a wider version of the marten version (in hungarian), but tell you the truth a lot of people do not believe it.
The marten was unable to take more than one chick, and leave trails. There are many Hungarian experts do not believe that the culprit was a marten. :(
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macko50 wrote:Hello Kukelke,

there is a wider version of the marten version (in hungarian), but tell you the truth a lot of people do not believe it.
The marten was unable to take more than one chick, and leave trails. There are many Hungarian experts do not believe that the culprit was a marten. :(
Thanks for your answer, macko50

This is what I feared already, that many people don't buy the official version, including many experts. So sad to hear this. :(


I haven't watched the cam the last days, because seeing the empty nest made me sad, but I wonder if any of the parents have been seen the days after the chicks were gone?
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i have also been thinking about this incidence and i think the more plausible culprit might be an eagleowl (or any bigger owl). it seems evident that the robbery took place in complete darkness so it might be more probably an owl rather than any mammal.

- but as said by many others before me it is very probable that the culprit will stay forever unrevealed. we would know by now who it was if it could be known. and knowing whoever did it will not bring the babies back. that is the sorry fact. :cry:
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ame wrote:i have also been thinking about this incidence and i think the more plausible culprit might be an eagleowl (or any bigger owl). it seems evident that the robbery took place in complete darkness so it might be more probably an owl rather than any mammal.

- but as said by many others before me it is very probable that the culprit will stay forever unrevealed. we would know by now who it was if it could be known. and knowing whoever did it will not bring the babies back. that is the sorry fact. :cry:
I don't think it has been an eagleowl or any other owl either. Eagleowls are on average smaller than WTEs, and wouldn't attack an adult WTE on the nest. Remember the female sat on the eaglets on the nest still.
Eagleowls would only be a threat to eaglets once they are so big that the female WTE can't sit on them anymore. Then the nestlings are alone in the nestbowl, with both WTE parents branched above them, and only then indeed, an eagleowl could come and swoop the nestlings off the nest, one by one, that is.

I still suspect humans to be the culprits. Humans are big enough to chase an adult WTE off the nest and then take the eaglets, also in the middle of the night, if they are familiar with the area.

And we can only speculate why the rangers were so fast with their conclusion that is was a marten, which is doubted my many, including a bunch of experts. Could it be that it were indeed humans who did this, and that the rangers have discovered this too? And that they tried to cover over for this by saying it was a marten? Because if it is officially a marten, then it's natural causes and the case is closed. If it were indeed humans, that would mean the rangers didn't do their job as protectors of wildlife and perhaps could get fired or so. And therefore an easy cover up with the marten-history. Yes, it's all speculation, I know, but things like this have happened before.
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@Ame has actually said enough and I can only agree with her ​​last words.

But why these rumors heat up again and again?
It should only be considered facts.
Otherwise, stay only probabilities.
And I find an animal as perpetrators much more likely.

Why should people do this?
Exposing themselves to this risk at night.
What for?
I do not understand.
Yes, I know, there are mad, sick people everywhere, destroy or shoot...
But here it seems to me unlikely.

Ranger could lose their job?
Do they have to guarding at night the nest-area?
I do not think so.

A pity, it would be better to know more about the contrary opinions of the local experts.
So these rumors continue to exist...

Maybe I should not further comment this, because I know also nothing accurate...
But I can not forget this nest also. :cry:
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There are no facts / proofs that it was Marten or Eagle owl or human... The only fact is that all three chicks are gone.
I think people are allowed to think themselves and speculate if they want to.

I´m sorry that I brought someone´s speculation from FB here, if it "hurts" someone. But I think this is somehow "weird/ mystery" incident and it´s normal to wonder what happened... Even though it won´t bring the chicks back.
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Oh, of course, everyone can think and speculate, especially on Fb...
Sorry, I'm not very familiar with this page

But I just followed a Link to a Fb page.
https://www.facebook.com/filmjungle (I hope it's allowed here)
There are some information to read.
Among others:
Posted by Filmdzsungel.hu: "The nest will become busy again by January, next year. The parents can be expected to renovate the nest,
Their activity will be recorded by another live cam thatwill be able to broadcast sound and night activity."

I think this the right way, good news for the future.
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:wave:
I found the next nest of white-tailed eagle :-)
This time in Hungary. Danube-Drava National Park.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/mH8RY5a8JLt
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:hi:

Duna-drava National Park, Hungary.
Feb.09. Today morning female tried to nest :loveshower:
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and a little nest bowl "decoration" :rolleyes:
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Duna-drava National Park, Hungary.
11.38. Sort visit. Writing on chat she is female. She is beuty :rolleyes:
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Edit:11.46. Eagle in the nest again, nest materials delivered :laugh:
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:hi:

I saw this on FB
...scroll down for a little bit for the webcam
http://vadaszlap.hu/2016/02/12/sasolja- ... monitoran/
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:hi:
Duna-drava National Park, Hungary.

13:52 EGG :loveshower:

Pictures later
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:hi: Mamicja

Duna-Drava National Park, Hungary.

The first egg :loveshower:
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Well I've got it from the new video >

15:43:50 she stood up and WOW there it was.


http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/83228128

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:hi:
Duna-drava National Park, Hungary.
Egg laying.
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Please God, no martens this year. I still remember this terrible event from Hungarian nest 2014.
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