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 Post subject: Re: ESTLAT Osprey Nest Webcam Discussion 2012
PostPosted: August 4th, 2012, 9:22 pm 
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"Osprey Erika, travelling with her backpack since 2007, chose a new wintering place this year and is now in Sudan, near the Ad Damazin dam, in the middle reaches of the Blue Nile river, not far from the Ethiopian border."

this is from http://www.looduskalender.ee/en/node/6350

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 Post subject: Re: ESTLAT Osprey Nest Webcam Discussion 2012
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sounds like in the middle of nowhere :shock:

but reminds me of the storks from NABU Germany, who are going there too, be sure, I don't know why!

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PostPosted: August 4th, 2012, 9:33 pm 
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IKat wrote:
A quick question.....where will these youngsters migrate to? And is there a lot known (posted info somewhere????) as to the conditions where they will spend their winter season? Wooded, forrested area?......Seaside area???????....How has the weather been this year in their targeted migratory area (s)? Dry, rainy? Does anyone know where I can get some information? Thank you.

Hi IKat.
In case you haven't seen all of the forum yet, here is the Migration map. The travels of Osprey Erika can be seen there.

http://birdmap.5dvision.ee/index.php?lang=en

And the forum discussion to accompany it - viewtopic.php?f=7&t=411


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Thank you Starling.... :D

Oh, thank you Jo....fabulous..... :D

Thank you Birdie...... :D

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Jo, do you have the slightest idea why birds prefer Sudan? :puzzled:

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Jo, do you have the slightest idea why birds prefer Sudan? :puzzled:

I have never been there, myself. It must have attractions that I don't yet know about. Sorry, I can't help!


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This topic is for discussion of the Estonian Osprey Nest WEbcam.

Personal attacks and criticisms are not tolerated here.

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Jo UK wrote:
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Jo, do you have the slightest idea why birds prefer Sudan? :puzzled:

I have never been there, myself. It must have attractions that I don't yet know about. Sorry, I can't help!


Maybe it has something to do with the earth rotation?
And the winds , which are from a different side from the north of the earth to the south?
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the only thing I know, is that the storks from Germany find something like a pool of grashoppers in the Sudan. But ospreys?

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Meanwhile, the chicks are bedding down for the night, heads together as always.


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Well, then I am all alone against you all....awww, how sad :rotf:


I´m pretty new at this forum, but I´ve been following pretty closely the cam- I did not see Uno fly neither :unsure: So, you´re not the only one. Hopefully Martha will have some nice shots for us tomorrow/today :wave:

Good night everybody :loveshower:


Hi alli, I forgot to say hello to you yesterdy :blush:

I missed it yesterday, but this morning I had the opportunity to watch a similar scene - wing exercises (S8), then only two chicks in the nest. With the utmost probabilty this was no maiden flight, because every now and then a wing tip or tail tip was visible. I post some pictures and a video later. Maybe Macko has recorded the "big moment" yesterday?


Thank you Maertha for your answer, I´m sorry for spelling your name not right the first time :cry:
This cam/ and forum are just amazing. I´m so curious about one thing= how did you all find this wonderful cam??

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Birdie wrote:
Jo UK wrote:
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Jo, do you have the slightest idea why birds prefer Sudan? :puzzled:

I have never been there, myself. It must have attractions that I don't yet know about. Sorry, I can't help!


Maybe it has something to do with the earth rotation?
And the winds , which are from a different side from the north of the earth to the south?
:puzzled:

the only thing I know, is that the storks from Germany find something like a pool of grashoppers in the Sudan. But ospreys?

:puzzled:

In Sudan the Blue Nile and the White Nile merge to form the Nile, so there's water and thus fish on which ospreys can feed.

But I think we're talking here about the new state South-Sudan, in particular the vast Sudd, a huge marsh and wetland area formed by the White Nile.

From wikipedia:
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The Sudd (Arabic سد, sad, "barrier"), also known as the Bahr al Jabal, As Sudd or Al Sudd, is a vast swamp in South Sudan, formed by the White Nile. The word “sudd” is derived from the Arabic word “sadd”, meaning “block.” The term has come to refer to any large solid floating vegetation island or mat. The area which the swamp covers is one of the world's largest wetlands and the largest freshwater wetland in the Nile basin.

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Its size is highly variable, averaging over 30,000 square kilometers. During the wet season it may extend to over 130,000 km², depending on the inflowing waters, with the discharge from Lake Victoria being the main control factor of flood levels and area inundation.

Sudd was designated as a Ramsar Wetland of International Importance on 5 June 2006.

(...)

The Sudd provides food and water to large populations of migrating birds, with more than 400 species of bird found here including Shoebills, Great White Pelicans, and Black Crowned Cranes. As the surrounding landscape is a large swathe of dry Sahel across Africa the swamp is also a haven for migrating animals, especially antelopes such as the endangered Nile Lechwe, Tiang, Reedbuck, and the world's largest population of White-eared Kob, estimated at around 1.2 million – animal populations comparable to Tanzania's better-known Serengeti National Park. Meanwhile the shallow water is frequented by crocodiles and hippopotami. In more upland areas the Sudd has been known as a historic habitat for the endangered Painted Hunting Dog, Lycaon pictus; however, this canid may be extirpated in the region.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudd

Sounds like a perfect spot for ospreys in the wet season when food is abundant, and there's plenty of shallow water which ospreys prefer. Just watch out for the crocs!


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I suppose NORI (S7) and ELO (S9) are females and UNO (S8) is a male ^^
http://birdmap.5dvision.ee/index.php?la ... Freq=multi http://www.looduskalender.ee/de/node/14481
http://www.dradio.de/dlf/sendungen/sonn ... g/1748781/ http://www.looduskalender.ee/de/node/14539 http://www.looduskalender.ee/de/node/14572


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Our short intermission is over :D


August 5

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 Post subject: Re: ESTLAT Osprey Nest Webcam Discussion 2012
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Urmas wrote:
Hi, Cara!
Actually I'd like to see real pictures in avatars, but its up to every one...
So your real avatar is fine! I have to find for me also some... if find some time.

We with Latvian colleague Janis are going to look after the nest site and if we are lucky, one of parents could get transmitter - sorry for this additional disturbing (we really know that any additional device on bird makes not much happier it), but only so we could see where they travel and what places might be dangerous.
From other side we want to know about the transmitters impact, it is only possible if we look together and express the results. If something will be not well, we can improve our activity in the future. Hope you all understand! At the moment we do our best.




Hi Urmas,
I esteem you and your work very much, so it's a great pleasure to me that you typed this posting!

And even though I would be against "transmittering" animals (in another better world :-/ .....) I know of the importance and usefulness to protect animals. So I am happy that there exist such humans like you and all the others of this wonderful project! That's why "transmittering" in this case is a thing to say THANK YOU! So much THANKS for your work to you, Urmas, and to all the others of your team and also to the Latvian team!

But I've questions about it: I've seen such transmitters on birds ridges and they're not really small. I wonder if this isn't a big hindrance for those birdies to handle their natural life (for example in copulation process or in the case of Ospreys for hunting fishes what seems to be more dangerous with "electricity getting wet". Please, don't laugh at me ;-) but I really have this question in my thoughts. Same with another "weird" question: Is it more dangerous for "transmitted" birds when there's a thunderstorm? Thought once again is the "electricity" on the ridge. Maybe it attracts a lightning strike? ....... Maybe silly thoughts, but I have those weird worries ;-)

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Hi Cara, we have a new topic to discuss the pros and cons of the transmitters - perhaps some of your questions have been answered there: http://www.looduskalender.ee/forum/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=489

(I know the question about lightning strikes has been covered there ... the birds are not harmed)

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Wisteria wrote:
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Oh after registration about 1 week ago I selected a pic of myself as avatar pic, then I noticed that all of you selected a pic of an animal (mostly birds) and I wanted to change my pic. But then after I only had time for my daily work - included my addicted watching of our family and reading this forum, of course
And now I noticed that I posted my comment without changing my pic
I will change soon


Welcome here Cara!
Please don´t change your picture just because most of the members have bird pictures in avatars. I think putting your own pic tells much about your brave personality and attitude. And I´ve seen also a few others here with their own pictures.
I also share your worries about the migration, many of the birds are shoot on their way to the South, it´s very tragic. I wish you pleasant times here in the forum!



I agree, Cara, don't change your avatar on our account, you have such pretty plumage anyway!

I think the best thing about this osprey cam is that it puts a face (and wings) on the creatures who are so impacted by human affairs - pollution, habitat loss, climate change and sheer carelessness. I've only been watching here for a couple months but I've sent numerous emails with the link to other people, so they will see the beauty, grace and humility of these small creatures that only want to survive.

And the guys who climbed up the tree to set the nest and camera, then climbed up again to ring the chicks - they are heroes! And all the people who support them and even we who watch at home on our computers, expanding the message that we humans are not just spoiling our earth, we're spoiling it for every living thing and we have to work to change that.

How boring life would be without so many creatures of the air, land and sea, so beautifully going about the business of living - it would be a great tragedy to lose any of them, and it is a tragedy that we have already lost some, forever.

Okay you get the picture, I'm done preaching for the night. :offtobed:
:chick: :chick: :chick:

:hi: Hi Urmas! Great work so far! Thank you!



Hello Wisteria,

your words are wonderful! They made my skin crawl! And the line " so they will see the beauty, grace and humility of these small creatures that only want to survive" lets make my eyes a bit "teary"! When I read your text it was like that would be lines, typed by me! So I'm not able to add anything to these lines..... your words are my words.....! ..... and fortunately also the words of a crowd in this world who are acting for protection of mother earth and their living beings!

Love and light to you .....

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They are so beautiful even though they blend in so beautifully to a bunch of old sticks.


Don't you just wonder what the danger is? Maybe a WTE stealing a fish from Madis or...




Yes, they're so beautiful ♥
And me, too ;-) ..... every alarm I wonder about the danger :puzzled:

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http://birdmap.5dvision.ee/index.php?la ... Freq=multi http://www.looduskalender.ee/de/node/14481
http://www.dradio.de/dlf/sendungen/sonn ... g/1748781/ http://www.looduskalender.ee/de/node/14539 http://www.looduskalender.ee/de/node/14572


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