DISCUSSION ESTLAT Osprey Nest 1 Madis & Piret ~ 2012

[Morlach]

Now I checked the videos from this morning and I´m puzzled. S8 disappears at about 0:18 in this clip, but the tail tip is still visible until 1:00. Then the wing tip is in the picture and then, 8:43… maiden flight? Or not? Difficult to say. He/she was visible (came back?) again two minutes later at 8:45.

Hi Maertha,

I too saw this happen but do not believe it was a flight. I think S8 just moves to part of the nest that is not covered by the cam, has happened a few times recently.

Wonder if if can get the cam zoomed out a notch so we can see that part of the nest?

[Morlach]

13.49

Then I am going to say goodbye to you all!!!

Not because I am not having it my may, but because it makes me very, very depressed to see a bird like this

I really can not watch a bird with an antenna on its back, it is so demeaning.

So, goodbye to you all, I wish you all the best!!!!

Hi jopie,

Please do not leave, you are a valuable member of these forums. Also it has not definately been said a transmitter will be attached.

[catweazle]

That's a very interesting question. Hope, someone can answer it.

[Jasmijn]

This is true, Birdie, and some of the most valuable information came from a White Stork called "Prinzesschen" (if I remember the name correctly) who flew with the transmitter for many years and when she finally died of old age and exhaustion in South Africa, the bird and transmitter were found and the people in Germany informed.
As far as I know, raptor specialist B.-U. Meyburg is at the moment busy putting transmitters on LSE in North Germany, and a lot of the facts we know about LSE come from "his" birds!

Fantastic proverb from Ghandi...........................I rest my case........................

[Urmas]

I suggest not to discuss here about using or not using of transmitters, is it ethical or not, etc. That is like discussion about religion - no clear answers, accepted by all.
We caught female (though preferred male, but he was too cautious) about 100m of from nest site, put the transmitter (model without of antenna, 30g, with soft closure) and released her about 13:30, she flew without of any troubles.
Now we all can observe what will be in near future, I don't know. Trapping time is by now the less dangerous, because chicks can eat fish themselves and soon the females leave the nest sites for migration (many are already left). Hopefully we see the tagged female in camera view this season, yet.
Also we caught yesterday two Ospreys of one pair and tagged male, that's close to another fish farm - to understand, how much they fish in reality at fish ponds (we need to make calculations for to cover the "flying away" fish costs for farmer).

[Bea]

Thanks to Urmas for reporting us and Felis for quoting these very interesting FACTS

[Kapa]

Jasmijntje and Jopie,
I personally agree, that such intervention is ambivalent.
Yet persons and governments are not persuaded by moral words. The example of the Prinzesschen is excellent for showing, how the information detected by one single animal can help change the sensibility of many to first get the knowledge and second to take action in order to protect. Here in Germany many people (from preschooler to elderly) were informed by media, events and schools.
Would it be pure curiosity an would there be no need to protect the animals, such antennas shouldn't be used.
But that's not how it is.
And I also think, the colleagues of Urmas an he himself are totally aware of what the do and what they need to do. They love those animals and spend so much time to collect information. If nothing else they gave us this fantastic opportunity to watch this offspring grow up.
I think it's not fair to judge.
Bye
Kapa


Urmas,
sorry, I saw your post too late.

All,
can the "real" maiden flight take place any time of the day or is it more likely to happen in the early morning? I am talking about really leaving the tree.

[Urmas]

Jasmijntje and Jopie,
All,
can the "real" maiden flight take place any time of the day or is it more likely to happen in the early morning? I am talking about really leaving the tree.

There are different cases known, usually adults invite juveniles to fly with prey, not going to nest, but sitting on neighbouring tree; sometimes simply happens bigger jump in a wind and once there is no nest under the eaglet any more - follows first flight. And sometimes somebody disturbs them and eaglets get flying (unfortunately happened in Latvian nest during ringing with older chick). Think, there is no preferred time for first flight. Probably it should be dry weather then.

[Kapa]

Urmas, thanks a lot!

[will(y)]

Thank you Urmas for the informations.
i'm glad to read, you've chosen a transmitter without an large outside antenna.
What do you think, will Piret return to the nest once more (this year)?
Did you take some pictures?

[maroni]

synchronflying could be olympic?
:

[Kukelke]

I suggest not to discuss here about using or not using of transmitters, is it ethical or not, etc. That is like discussion about religion - no clear answers, accepted by all.
We caught female (though preferred male, but he was too cautious) about 100m of from nest site, put the transmitter (model without of antenna, 30g, with soft closure) and released her about 13:30, she flew without of any troubles.
Now we all can observe what will be in near future, I don't know. Trapping time is by now the less dangerous, because chicks can eat fish themselves and soon the females leave the nest sites for migration (many are already left). Hopefully we see the tagged female in camera view this season, yet.
Also we caught yesterday two Ospreys of one pair and tagged male, that's close to another fish farm - to understand, how much they fish in reality at fish ponds (we need to make calculations for to cover the "flying away" fish costs for farmer).

Hello Urmas,

Just to be 100% sure: The female you caught and attached a transmitter to, is that Piret? Or is it another female from a nearby nest?

[snApe1118]

Double training

Edit - super picture! But it has been moved it to the Big Picture topic :loveshower: (Jo)


What a picture!!!!



To the discussion:

Sure we people want to know where the dangers are for the osprey. Because we are responsible for ensuring that their habitat has become less
and therefore need to survive so WE change us to protect these fantastic animals.

And if we need transmitter... if the birds could think and speak like us, and we ask them whether they want to help
so that they survive and their conspecifics and we give them the space they need - perhaps (I think they would) it would certainly help us.

[Birdie]

video of the babies relaxing on the nest, love the way S8 is on edge of nest looking out and observing the wide world awaiting him / her.

thats the new explanation for www. : world wide wings

[Urmas]

Thank you Urmas for the informations.
i'm glad to read, you've chosen a transmitter without an large outside antenna.
What do you think, will Piret return to the nest once more (this year)?
Did you take some pictures?

Don't know about returning, but female is nearby and sometimes giving alarm voice. What the reason? Probably still feels stressed of trapping, but there are some military exercises going on and participants sometimes lost their right way ...

Maybe I have no time to download the pictures, because should leave this night for a week to Scotland.

[Urmas]

Just to be 100% sure: The female you caught and attached a transmitter to, is that Piret? Or is it another female from a nearby nest?

Yes, Piret (most probably)!

[Birdie]

Thank you Urmas for all informations!
Have a nice week in Scotland!

[gitana]

This is from page 40 (25th May):

Thank you! Great, that's why fishes are alive!!!! Oh, my brains don't work! Fishes were very alive so it means Madis doesn't fly very far.

[Starling]

Gitana, I understood the transmitter is already put to Piret today. It is without antenna. We haven´t seen Piret yet.

[juta]

Once again. This is transmitter, without antenna, waterproof, very light.
It´s not in my hand, but I have hold it myself too.