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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
PostPosted: July 5th, 2012, 7:16 am 
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The only thing I can think about which could make problems are scales. Fish definitely goes "in" better by head first, but when regurgitated? It's very fast when they do it, plus the wings of the storklets flapping around and their beaks poking in the parent's beak.

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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
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The only thing I can think about which could make problems are scales. Fish definitely goes "in" better by head first, but when regurgitated? It's very fast when they do it, plus the wings of the storklets flapping around and their beaks poking in the parent's beak.

It is all just chaos to me :blush:


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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
PostPosted: July 5th, 2012, 8:14 am 
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Good morning :hi:


Yesterday, there were some other birds here. :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
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Good morning everybody :wave:
Hello, Dr. Madis :hi:

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A bit about the trematode also... they are whit indirect development, they need to have 2 hosts before they can develop to adult trematodes. Usually the first hosts are snails and second host is fishes, so stork will get infected eating the infected fishes. Nestlings should get the adult trematodes from their parents when they regurgitate food to nestlings. Another interesting thing is that its described that that trematode can do hes developmental cycle through in warm climates, where the storks winter. so that is what we know about that parasite. The effect of that parasite to black stork population is not well known.
Yesterday evening everything went pretty much according how we planned. One thing what we noticed was that the other side is also nicked (something like if you bend plastic it will leave a line) and kept together by soft tissue and still soft keratin what covers the bone in the beak. That's why the fractured tip of the beak is so bendy.
Anyways today morning he got fish for food (today morning I went to the market and got him some small herring), hes meds and fluids. In the evening I'm taking off the bandage and will see how is the fractures doing. Lets hope for the best - that's what we can do.

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Thank you once more Dr. Madis for your detailed report of your examination.

It is easily comprehensible where the trematodes are coming from and how they are passed to the storklets.
But I don't understand the connection between these trematodes and the fracture of the beak.
Are the trematodes able to penetrate even a beak, so that they let the beak get breakable?

I wonder how the beak looked like after you took off the bandage....

So I'm very curious about your next report!

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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
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Yesterday, there were some other birds here. :mrgreen:

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Thanks for the comparison pics. What a change in one day! 8-)


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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
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Why,pziel,is it of any importance whether fish regurgitated head or tail first :puzzled:



The is one difficulty.
In the dorsal fin many fish species have hard spikes. Swallowing head first they cause no problems, but in the opposite direction spikes may hurt oesophagus. For example the well known to everybody fish - carp (Cyprinus carpio) has hard spikes in the dorsal fin. And if there is a pond nearby with carps, parent storks bring them to the nest. I have seen on the nest carps 19 cm long (120 g) and they had hard spikes. It is interesting how adult storks overcome the difficulty of regurgitating such armed with spikes prey.
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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
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it is almost impossible to catch this moment. In this slow motion video may be the tail was the first.



Thank you George for the video. It seems you are right.
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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
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No breakfast today? Where are our parents? :unsure:

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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
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13:18 Feeding



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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
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I just managed one day today as there was a thunderstorm with hail and the next one is just coming.
But here is June 30 for checking

http://s1127.photobucket.com/albums/l633/Pontu_Photos/Kurg%202012/06_June/06_June-30/

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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
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Felis silvestris wrote:
I just managed one day today as there was a thunderstorm with hail and the next one is just coming.
But here is June 30 for checking

http://s1127.photobucket.com/albums/l633/Pontu_Photos/Kurg%202012/06_June/06_June-30/


Here too Felis...I'm in for a moment but last night we got a power outage (due to fire nearby...no one injured) and I lost internet...our son by phone got us a temp. connexion but I'm not going chance loosing that. :mrgreen: No emails in or out until they visit on 21st.. :cry: )
PMs OK as I can come here to see.
BBL if storm passes. :rolleyes:
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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
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:hi: I've been away for hours.
Is it possible that Tiit hasn't delivered any food today, and that the storklets were fed only once by Tiina, at 13:18? Has anyone seen Tiit today? That's very strange ... :puzzled:


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I only watched the feeding that is shown here. If I had known that many people is on its way I had watched more the stork cam. So I had another one where we are waiting for power who got lost since nearly one week.
I hope that everything will be okay - I went to the side more often and saw the storks sitting, standing and laying around.
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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
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hello,
we know already, what was the cause of the injury? I've seen the pictures from the 06/29/12 again. There is a photo, on the very recent injury beak. http://s1127.photobucket.com/albums/l63 ... -16-06.jpg
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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork Webcam Discussion ~ Tiit & Tiina~ 2012
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Lucy wrote:
:hi: I've been away for hours.
Is it possible that Tiit hasn't delivered any food today, and that the storklets were fed only once by Tiina, at 13:18? Has anyone seen Tiit today? That's very strange ... :puzzled:


Hello Lucy,

there was a feeding at about 14:00 by Tiit, but I missed recording it, and after I have been away also.

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I was at work all day and when I could I looked in to the Latvian ospreys as they were ringed yesterday afternoon, but quite late. But once the Pontu pictures for yesterday are downloaded (today evening, when I'm at home) I'll flip trough, sometimes Pontu catches a feeding. Has to be at the right time, though, and since they usually are very fast, it's not so often.

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- No news about Lenny?


Good morning. :wave:
I´m also anxious to hear how´s Lenny doing... :puzzled:


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