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 Post subject: Black Stork nest in Portugal
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Black Stork Nest in Portugal

http://www.zappiens.pt/video.php?cat=45&id=283


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Black stork in nest in Portugal
http://static.publico.clix.pt/grifosnaweb/

In this link http://www.zappiens.pt/video.php?id=860 it's the video of the first time the blackstork was seen through the webcam this year :loveshower: (22nd February)

The BS was going to their nest from last year but it is occupied by a griffon vulture couple. So now they went for their former nest and we are waiting :peek:

The 2 nests: last year on the left (with BS) and this year nest on the right
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Last year nest with "baby" BS
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Portas de Ródão, a natural monument on Tagus river, the place where the nests are (the photos were taken on the 28th July 2008)


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Thank you, Portugal! Thank you, Garina do mar! :bow:
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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork nest in Portugal
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renandeli wrote:
garina do mar wrote:
renandeli wrote:
Thank you, Portugal! Thank you, Garina do mar! :bow:
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She is so niiiiiice :loveshower:
Let's hope that they keep this nest this year :bow:
I saw that it built the nest and arranged twigs in good order!

Yes, and the other one arrived and they went both of them to the nest :loveshower:
I have a video of the arrival. Its 3,5 Mb do you want it?

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I'm also very glad to see Black Stork in Portugal! That's of course completely different habitat as here in Estonia.
Thank you for sharing that camera link!

Have you any information about wintering of BSs in Portugal? In Southern Spain they winter surely...

Is that nest of Black Stork or Griffon, we see? Storks nest in Portugal in similar places along the rivers, as I know.


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kotkaklubi wrote:
I'm also very glad to see Black Stork in Portugal! That's of course completely different habitat as here in Estonia.
Thank you for sharing that camera link!

Have you any information about wintering of BSs in Portugal? In Southern Spain they winter surely...

Is that nest of Black Stork or Griffon, we see? Storks nest in Portugal in similar places along the rivers, as I know.

:wave: Kotkaklubi
The nest of blackstork is in the same place where are griffon nests. Slightly above there are 2 griffon nests. One where the "baby" is about to born (or is already born, we don't see the nest with the camera) and another one that was not occupied this season.
Blackstorks don't winter in Portugal at least that is known. These ones just arrived. White storks yes, we have plenty of them during all year :D
Blackstorkes in Portugal make their nests near rivers with this type of rocks and white storkes everywhere and even in rocks on the coastline (there are photos above)

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Do you remember? I'm waiting for March 31st


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Fine, Rachowiak!
Let's hope that situation in human society will not affect on the prey availability in forest streams, the home nest building and numerous kids there ...

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Hi!

I've just joined the forum so I'm a new member here from Hungary. I was very happy to find this forum because last year I watched the webcam every day, I followed the news about the black stork family and I really wanted to know when they will be back in the Estonian forest. I'm really delighted to hear that foreseenably 31st March is the big day this year so I'm looking forward to that date!!!!
I hope the webcam will operate soon again because it made my last summer season very happy! As I'm really interested in zoology, ornithology I find the forums and webcams like this a very useful tool, otherwise I would never have a chance to see these birds from so close. Unfortunately Hungary is not a nature-conscious country and people here don't find birdwatching an interesting hobby. So I just want to say that I really appreciate your efforts and thank you for thousands of happy moments!
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garina do mar wrote:
Black storkes arrival in Portugal :headroll:
And one video that was made last year when a young blackstork in her flying trials decided to visit the gyps vulture nest :D
Their nest was just underneath this one so it is not visible.
http://www.zappiens.pt/video.php?cat=45&id=283

The link is ok. It´s from the portuguese Foundation for Scientific Computing and official broad band provider.

Other videos from gyps vultures are here: http://www.zappiens.pt/lista_videos.php?id=45
I have today watched the vulture cam, - like yesterday! Yesterday the Cegonha Negra was there in the nest several hours, and spent the night there too. I don't know if the other BS was there too. Today she was not seen during day hours, but in the evening she rerturned! At 20.21.

There is a discussion thread and I translated with google almost all! Well, they are all entusiasts, what else.. :D People think that this black stork seems to be healthy and good looking, well fed, it's feathers are exeptionally shining in sunlight, it behaves calm.

Now it is sleeping there, I don't know how many meters high up from the level of the river. The nest which this (these?.. if the two storks seen there are a couple) Black stork has chosen is an old Griffon Vulture's nest. It is about to fall down - it is broken by storms and rain, the watchers there told.

I wonder if one month is enough time for them to prepaire and rebuild the nest..First eggs should be seen at the end of March.. :puzzled:

There are people who have watched the Estonian web cam last year. Now they hope they could watch as well the portuguese BS nesting as the Estonian BS's nesting too, and to make coparisons! Oh, it would be great!

(google transl:Last year much like to see the Estonia! Until then I knew that there were no black storks !:(((
26.02.2009 - 20:05 - Elizabeth R

Hopefully it is, Isabel R. Via cegonhitas be fun to grow and see if the nested Estonia will also be interesting to make comparisons ...
26.02.2009 - 20:01 - Luisa Moreira


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 Post subject: Re: Black Stork nest in Portugal
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Welcome Artemis :wave:

I too am really looking forward to having our Black Storks return.

Many White Storks have started to return to their nests in Germany :2thumbsup:
One of my favorite white stork webcams is http://www.pfalzstorch.de/bilder/live1.html


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:wave: renandeli
Thank you for all the pictures from "garina's cam" I have not been lucky enough to catch storks there.

A month should be plenty of time to build/rebuild a nest - bald eagles can build a nest in two weeks and I think the storks could do that too.


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Bociany! So they thought there in vulture cam too. The nest rebuilding will go quickly, if they decide to have chicks, a stork family for the summer. There are lots of food for storks on the shores of the river - there are 'low shores' near too. The vultures there nearby will be feeded by people, be cause for them there is not food enough.. as far I understood right what the GrifoNautas told.

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Garina do mar says this link is better, but will be updated tomorrow. She will add pictures to her transferred posts, later.

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I have today watched the vulture cam, - like yesterday! Yesterday the Cegonha Negra was there in the nest several hours, and spent the night there too. I don't know if the other BS was there too. Today she was not seen during day hours, but in the evening she rerturned! At 20.21.

There is a discussion thread and I translated with google almost all! Well, they are all entusiasts, what else.. :D People think that this black stork seems to be healthy and good looking, well fed, it's feathers are exeptionally shining in sunlight, it behaves calm.

Now it is sleeping there, I don't know how many meters high up from the level of the river. The nest which this (these?.. if the two storks seen there are a couple) Black stork has chosen is an old Griffon Vulture's nest. It is about to fall down - it is broken by storms and rain, the watchers there told.

I wonder if one month is enough time for them to prepaire and rebuild the nest..First eggs should be seen at the end of March.. :puzzled:

There are people who have watched the Estonian web cam last year. Now they hope they could watch as well the portuguese BS nesting as the Estonian BS's nesting too, and to make coparisons! Oh, it would be great!

(google transl:Last year much like to see the Estonia! Until then I knew that there were no black storks !:(((
26.02.2009 - 20:05 - Elizabeth R

Hopefully it is, Isabel R. Via cegonhitas be fun to grow and see if the nested Estonia will also be interesting to make comparisons ...
26.02.2009 - 20:01 - Luisa Moreira


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Hi Renandeli :wave:
Quite confusing and not exactly what was told in Portuguese. :whistling:
Tomorrow I'll try to make a better translation :rolleyes:

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Good morning, garina do mar! Oh, yes.. google! :slap: I understood that Isabel meant that she (just like me too) was not aware that there even exists Black Storks until she saw them in the Estonian web cam. Not other way round!

I was hooked from the first day I saw the nest and it's residents, May 2008
What can one learn through web cam! In the Finnish language there is left only the word, one of the names of Black Storks - nälkäkurki ( it means litarally: 'crane of hunger' <-- a thin person!), but nowadays there are only few who knows that it used to mean Black Stork!
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renandeli wrote:
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There is a discussion thread and I translated with google almost all!...


Hello :wave:
What was said at the Portuguese vulture cam site (I put in smaller font what Renandeli wrote):

"Well, they are all entusiasts, what else.. :D People think that this black stork seems to be healthy and good looking, well fed, it's feathers are exeptionally shining in sunlight, it behaves calm." Quite Ok

"Now it is sleeping there, I don't know how many meters high up from the level of the river." It's about 20 meters.

"The nest which this (these?.. if the two storks seen there are a couple) Black stork has chosen is an old Griffon Vulture's nest. It is about to fall down - it is broken by storms and rain, the watchers there told." From the video it seems they are a couple but only one has been seen. The nest is a former BS nest. Last year, I don't why, they choose another one, but that one this year was occupied by a griffon couple and now they came back (we hope :bow:) for this one. The nest that is broken is one slightly above that is not occupied and was last year the one where we saw the birth and growing up of the little griffon.

"I wonder if one month is enough time for them to prepaire and rebuild the nest..First eggs should be seen at the end of March.. " We don't know if one month is enough to build a nest but WS do it in less time. We don't know either when there will be an egg as BS usually only arrive in Portugal in the end of March.

"There are people who have watched the Estonian web cam last year. Now they hope they could watch as well the portuguese BS nesting as the Estonian BS's nesting too, and to make coparisons! Oh, it would be great!" I think that everybody that comments on the vulture cam site (and possible many others that don't comment)have followed the growing up of the Looduskalender BS. We also followed last year the pigs cam
"(google transl:Last year much like to see the Estonia! Until then I knew that there were no black storks !:(((
26.02.2009 - 20:05 - Elizabeth R
" Correct. Only it is Isabel and not Elizabeth ;))

"Hopefully it is, Isabel R. Via cegonhitas be fun to grow and see if the nested Estonia will also be interesting to make comparisons ...
26.02.2009 - 20:01 - Luisa Moreira
" "We hope that she will stay Isabel R. It will be nice to see little BS growing up and if those from Estonia also have a nest it will be interesting making comparisons."

News from today: there was a problem with the camera and we don't know at what time she left :cry: Only that at 8h15 UTC she was not there and didn't came back yet. But they usually use mornings to look for food. Since Tuesday nobody has seen 2 BS together.
See you later :wave:

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Hello :wave:
BS has just arrived. :loveshower:
But only one. We guess she will stay for the night as "usual" :unsure:
I saw it when she came! three minutes before yesterday evening. :loveshower: Did you take pics? If not, I'll put some later. She is so amazing.. she cleaned her toes.. preparing herself to sleep.

here it is coming and in one second of the first minute on the rock (no-one knows is it she or he)
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Nice pictures Renandeli :D
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I have 'read' the posts there in the Portuguese thread. It seems that people are waiting for the next fullmoon night! Then it should be the right moment to begin the nesting en serious with succes.. :innocent: I don't know!

Pure speculation from some observers. We don't know really when it will happen :peek:

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Half of hour ago the BS was probably on rock (at least some black spot i noticed), but can't see now... Though the image is very foggy yet.

As I understood from previous posts, so early BS also in Portugal is rare. Think this stork was wintering somewhere nearby?
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Half of hour ago the BS was probably on rock (at least some black spot i noticed), but can't see now... Though the image is very foggy yet.

As I understood from previous posts, so early BS also in Portugal is rare. Think this stork was wintering somewhere nearby?
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The BS is gone. Near 6h45 UTC. And the camera is off now, but yesterday she only returned after 19h00 UTC.
There are 2 storks. We saw them together on the 24th. :loveshower:
It is rare but everything is happening earlier this year: lots of Griffon vultures had eggs in December when it usually happens in January. We had very cold days this winter but temperatures are quite high now. Maybe the same happened in Africa and they thought it was already spring? :puzzled:

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