Latvian WtE nest webcamera: Juras-erglis 2015

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Re: Latvian WtE nest webcamera: Juras-erglis 2015

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Marfo wrote:10:02 Robert brought a fish, Durberts came a second earlier, screaming. Robert flew to oak. :chick:
Marfo, exactly the words i was planning to write! :rotf:
plus there was a robin on the nest just before Durberts screaming began. :D
he flew from far left on the left side of the pond, screaming all the way like a siren. i heard his voice to upstairs where i was.


laranjeiras, i think that Robert is still in the oak (though in this light it is difficult to see him, even for me).
that's why Durberts is squealing and purring and looking there every now and then.

i made a gif of the delivery.
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it will take some time before it'll be ready...
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Marfo, exactly the words i was planning to write!
I just realised that it could have been Durbe as well. I have no idea really... :unsure:
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it was Robert. it can be seen in the gif's pictures. :nod:

Durberts finished eating and flew screaming to the oak. Robert flew back to the nest tree. exchanging trees. :rotf:
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Durberts finished his meal screaming, flew away and then one of the parents flew around.
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10.34 can hear Durberts calling. Saw something fly by down bottom left side of picture. Another call from Durberts.
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:hi: ame - did Robert break his record? It seemed like he was only on the nest for a flash before getting over to the branch...

lots of screaming still going on in the distance :slap: :mrgreen: oop - he seems to be flying near the nest with his screaming ways... :laugh:
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10:34 finally Durberts flew away from the oak towards the nest tree and past the left side, screaming all the time. i failed to notice if Robert took off...


then about a minute later Durberts flew sreaming by but this time i didn't see him.


then it became quiet.

laranjeiras, Robert stayed on the nest for about 2 s which is a good time but not his record. if i remember right he has been in&out with a second at least once. :mrgreen:
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11:18 someone flew away from the tree top. i think that Robert left now.


a little earlier at 10:55 something dropped from the tree top. i think it was poop. :mrgreen:
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11:56 Durberts screams in the forest. it sounds like he is seeing a parent, probably with food...


it sounds like he is not flying but staying in one place. the screaming goes on...
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For those osprey fans the whole family is on the nest at this moment - Dyfi nest in Wales.
http://www.dyfiospreyproject.com/stream
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12:02 Durberts stopped screaming. either he got what he wanted or the parent grew tired of listening to that whining and flew away. i didn't see either of them.

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13:14 Screaming !!

What else is new ??? :rotf:
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13:14 Durberts began screaming in the forest. is sounds like it is from about same distance as earlier, i.e. from not very near. it also sounds like he first flew from closer to the nest a little further and then stayed in one place for the rest of the time.

13:16 he stops.

13:24 do i still hear some very distant crying..? :puzzled:
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13:27 screaming and moving.
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then the screaming stopped at about 13:28. first wild yodeling and then quite a sudden stop.


that was perhaps a food delivery and finally the crying stopped when the parent flew out of Durberts sight.
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I felt that all the last screaming had to do with food or a parent near him. The first long one, was similar to the food in nest. The same sounds an volumes.

It was not a call for fish.
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Abigyl, i agree: he wasn't calling Fish - fish - fish. he already saw a fish and got it from a parent who then flew out of his sight. :nod:

then something completely different. we have see a couple of times how Durberts has rubbed his bottom against the nest. last time he did so yesterday or the day before it. we have suspected that some sort of parasites may be the cause for this funny-looking behaviour.

Schleiereule has asked about parasites in birds of prey from this site:
http://www.greifvogelhilfe.de/krankheit ... parasiten/

this is the reply which she got. i'll put the original text here in German. then i'll try to translate it with help of GoogleTranslator, but i'm not sure how well i manage so i think it best to have the original text here for comparison. if i have made mistakes please correct me!
Hallo Frau ... (=Schleiereule51), ...
Ja sie haben Recht, bei Katzen und Hunden kenne ich dieses Rutschverhalten. In der Regel bei Bandwurmbefall oder Analdrüsenanschoppungen.
Dies ist mir bei Greifvögeln nicht bekannt. Wohl muss ich anmerken, dass wir keine Erfahrung bei Adlern haben (keine Verbreitung bei uns hier in NRW). Bei jungen Greifvögeln kommen meist keine Parasitosen in Frage, werden jedenfalls seltener nachgewiesen. Man könnte auch sagen, sie hatten noch kaum Zeit sich überhaupt anzustecken.
Dann wiederum unterscheidet man Greife und Eulen darin, wovon sie sich ernähren. Ein Oppurtunist hat viel eher Endoparasiten, als ein Vogel der sich auf etwas spezialisiert hat. Mäusebussarde sind zu 98% verwurmt, jedenfalls hab ich das Gefühl dass es so ist.
Würde dieser Vogel so viel Endoparasiten haben, dass er sich so verhalten müsste,
so wäre er sicher nicht mehr agil und munter.
Meist greifen Parasitosen um sich, wenn Vögel (auch andere Tiere) eine andere Krankheit haben.
Eine Problematik mit Lausfliegen, Zecken oder Milben halte ich für etwas wahrscheinlicher.
Gerade in den Sommermonaten vermehren sich diese Ektoparasiten rasant und nerven die Vögel auch sehr. Ich könnte mir so etwas vorstellen. Also Lausfliegen sogar am ehestens, die beißen ja auch und saugen Blut und lieben solche Nester. Zecken kommen nicht wirklich am Po vor, die sitzen in der Regel im Gesicht des Vogels, am liebsten im Augenbereich.

Ich persönlich habe keine Erkenntnisse zu Ihrer Beobachtung. Kann man eigentlich auch einen Blick auf die Webcam werfen?
Wir haben einen Seeadlerberinger zur Ihrer Frage heute befragt und er kennt so etwas nicht.
Vielleicht beruhigt Sie dies ein wenig.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Sylvia Urbaniak
translation:
"Yes you are right, in cats and dogs I know this slip[ing] behavior, usually in case of tapeworm infestation or anal gland blockages.
[Analdrüsenanschoppungen; this i'm not sure about.]
These are not known to me at raptors. Well I have to say that we have no experience in eagles (no spread with us here in NRW). In young raptors mostly no parasites come into question, in any case proved rare. One could also say that they had little time to be infected at all. Then again, griffins [?] and owls are different because of what they eat.
An opportunist has much more internal parasites than a bird who specializes in something. Up to 98 % of buzzards are infected, at least I have the feeling that it is so.
If this bird has so much internal parasites that he had to behave so, he would certainly no longer agile and alert.
Most often birds (and other animals) get infected by parasites when they [already] have a different disease.

I think this is somewhat more likely that this is problem with louse flies, ticks or mites. Especially in the summer months, these ectoparasites multiply rapidly and annoy the birds also very much. I can imagine such a thing. Louse flies are most probable: they bite and also suck blood and love those nests. Ticks usually sit on the face of the bird, preferable near the eyes, and do not really go on Po.

[this i can't translate nor even guess: what po? "are out of the question"?]
I personally have no knowledge about your observation. Can you actually look at the webcam stream?
We asked an eagle ringer your question today and he knows no such thing. Maybe you calms it a little.

With kind regards,
Sylvia Urbaniak"


in the above i bolded the sentence which i think is the the most important. i have been worried that our Durberts and last year Makonite and Pukitis had bad internal parasite infections, but it seems that it's probably not so. :D
(in my mind i was comparing our eaglets with kittens who quite often get infected by internal parasites from mother's milk and then suffer from them with swollen bellies. one sees these kittens especially in Southern Europe in the semi-wild cat colonies on holiday places like Rhodes. :unsure: )

thank you Schleiereule for finding this information for us! :bow:

about lausfliegen, louse flies one can read more:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippoboscidae
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OK. We are still not sure :puzzled:

I think he was talking about the pooping areas...

Is there a way to show them "the Video"?

Perhaps there are centers for eagles elsewhere.

What is the meaning of GREIF in english? Prey?
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ame wrote:...
[this i can't translate nor even guess: what po? "are out of the question"?]
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Hello, @ame,

the german "Po" is just one of the many words for "backside" or "bottom" (i.e. adapted to the Latin word "posterior")

Hello, @Abigyl,
Abigyl wrote:GREIF in english? Prey?
GREIF in english is: "bird of prey" or "raptor"

By the way, I'm happy to see and to read, that our big Baby is well and alert!

greetings from OWL

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Good job, ame. The "Schoppungen" yes, a slightly strange word for blockage. A rather dialect word, not really in the dictionary.
Greif - actually comes from "greifen" - to take, grasp, grab. In German birds of prey are called "Greifvögel" - and I rather prefer this word, than "Raub"vogel, because they don't rob. (if you look into the Social Corner, somewhere there is a discussion about this).
Po is the "backside", in German also called "Popo", Poppes" or similar. So the ticks are less looking for the part of Durberts he/she rubs, but go more to the face.

And Frau Urbaniek asks if one can have a look at the cam, more in the sense, can she also have.
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