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Re: Black Stork Nest in Karula 2019

Posted: October 22nd, 2019, 3:23 pm
by Solo
The main threat to this species is habitat degradation.

"Management information
A study in Estonia found that the retention of large older trees during forest management is important in providing nesting sites for the species (Lohmus and Sellis 2003). Conservation measures aimed at increasing the species's breeding success and population density should cover large territories of predominantly deciduous woodland and should focus on managing the river quality as far as 20 km away from nesting sites, protecting and managing feeding habitats, and improving food resources by establishing shallow artificial pools in grasslands or along rivers (Jiguet and Villarubias 2004).
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(https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/226 ... population)

Re: Black Stork Nest in Karula 2019

Posted: October 22nd, 2019, 5:16 pm
by Jo UK
If there are four eggs in the nest then there is the constant presence of an adult to beware of. Will you climb the tree and risk so disturbing the adults so make them abandon the nest? Then you have lost at least three possible new young storks.

Re: Black Stork Nest in Karula 2019

Posted: October 22nd, 2019, 5:42 pm
by asteria
LSE would sure abandon the nest but not the black storks. Remember how was it in Zile/Ozols nest when the WTE attacked them and stole two eggs, they returned as if nothing happened.

Re: Black Stork Nest in Karula 2019

Posted: October 23rd, 2019, 12:03 pm
by visit
asteria...
Even if you'll raise up 1,2 or 3 chicken in captivity, fill up ponds with fishes and catch or chase away the goshawk – what's the result ?
The only advantage for you is that you don't have to face the problems anymore.
You don't have to cope any more with a dead chicken (while the stork parents have to cope with you as a theft of their chicken and while the chicken have to cope being breeded up by strange behaving humans instead of their parents).
You can relax and watch conditions which are not natural anymore, which are only like a strategic game by you, where you decide which animal species are allowed to breed up their offspring or not (pity for the goshawk).
You are masking and hiding the problems (and therefore supporting them) instead of identifying the reasons for the problems and implementing the solutions. That is very convenient for you in deed.
But that is no help regarding ensuring the survival of the BS – and by the way, there are many, many other animals which are threatened with extinction, too !
Animal welfare is not the same as protection of species.
You cannot betray the nature and the laws of nature for a long time ! You only betray yourself.

Re: Black Stork Nest in Karula 2019

Posted: October 23rd, 2019, 12:53 pm
by asteria
visit wrote:
October 23rd, 2019, 12:03 pm
asteria...
Even if you'll raise up 1,2 or 3 chicken in captivity, fill up ponds with fishes and catch or chase away the goshawk – what's the result ?
The only advantage for you is that you don't have to face the problems anymore.
You don't have to cope any more with a dead chicken (while the stork parents have to cope with you as a theft of their chicken and while the chicken have to cope being breeded up by strange behaving humans instead of their parents).
You can relax and watch conditions which are not natural anymore, which are only like a strategic game by you, where you decide which animal species are allowed to breed up their offspring or not (pity for the goshawk).
You are masking and hiding the problems (and therefore supporting them) instead of identifying the reasons for the problems and implementing the solutions. That is very convenient for you in deed.
But that is no help regarding ensuring the survival of the BS – and by the way, there are many, many other animals which are threatened with extinction, too !
Animal welfare is not the same as protection of species.
You cannot betray the nature and the laws of nature for a long time ! You only betray yourself.
Yes, there are many animals in Red Book, but this is the topic about Black Storks and whether people can help.

The concrete result you can see in Makov: all the three healthy black storklets fledged this year, one of them already reached Israel. Such dangers as hunger, infanticide, predator attacks were completely excluded. Now, who was betrayed???

Re: Black Stork Nest in Karula 2019

Posted: October 23rd, 2019, 4:59 pm
by visit
you really don't get it.

Re: Black Stork Nest in Karula 2019

Posted: October 24th, 2019, 1:52 am
by Biker
no matter if we, here, forum members, understand it or not.
Changes (to better) or worse anyway take place elsewhere - for the most part.
we help, as much as we can for changes to the better.
no matter what asteria would do or not.
no matter how you think about asteria's opinion, ultimately it is important, convincing those, who destroy nature, to protect and preserve nature

Re: Black Stork Nest in Karula 2019

Posted: October 24th, 2019, 8:59 am
by asteria

Re: Black Stork Nest in Karula 2019

Posted: October 26th, 2019, 5:01 pm
by Tatiana60
Solo wrote:
October 22nd, 2019, 3:23 pm
"... should ..."
these are only suggested activities... Most likely, there are no mandatory actions for active rescue of the black stork for the Karula yet... but I could be wrong...

Re: Black Stork Nest in Karula 2019

Posted: October 26th, 2019, 5:22 pm
by Tatiana60
asteria wrote:
October 24th, 2019, 8:59 am
That is the worst thing: https://www.looduskalender.ee/n/ru/node/3932
relentless deforestation is a common misfortune, and so are fires... and urbanization, construction, which are stepping on the natural habitat of birds... How can we and should we help at least in the territories of nature reserves?

Re: Black Stork Nest in Karula 2019

Posted: March 9th, 2020, 6:54 pm
by Solo
the first pair of black storks in front of the camera (Italy) viewtopic.php?f=17&t=650&p=712867#p712867

Re: Black Stork Nest in Karula 2019

Posted: March 24th, 2020, 6:11 pm
by Lea T

Re: Black Stork Nest in Karula 2019

Posted: March 27th, 2020, 9:02 am
by Elena 64
Hello everybody! This year there will be a broadcast of storks?

Re: Black Stork Nest in Karula 2019

Posted: March 27th, 2020, 10:28 am
by Solo
Lea T wrote:
March 24th, 2020, 6:11 pm
Hungary http://gemenczrt.hu/media/feketegolya-feszek/
:hi: Lea and everyone,
the HU nest is in this thread viewtopic.php?p=716856#p716856
(btw. for no Hungarians is better this link https://madarles.hu/en/black-stork-nest)

Re: Black Stork Nest in Karula 2019

Posted: March 27th, 2020, 12:38 pm
by Jo UK
Elena 64 wrote:
March 27th, 2020, 9:02 am
Hello everybody! This year there will be a broadcast of storks?
Hello, Elena64.

Yes, we expect to have a camera on a nest in the coming days, when Urmas can do it. Then we wait to see which birds arrive!

Re: Black Stork Nest in Karula 2019

Posted: March 27th, 2020, 1:13 pm
by Solo
Elena 64 wrote:
March 27th, 2020, 9:02 am
Hello everybody! This year there will be a broadcast of storks?
2019
2.04.2019 Previously unknown male arrived at the nest.
4.04.2019 Kati arrived. She accepted the new male immediately and they mated uncountable times. This new male is named Karl II

(by Jo on the first page - Significant events: viewtopic.php?p=638918#p638918)

2018
KARL arrived at the nest on April 8 at 12.35
KATI arrived at the nest on April 8 at 18.25

2017
KARL arrived at the nest on April 4 at 10.37
KATI arrived at the nest on April 9 at 14.38

2016
Two adult black storks arrived at the nest on 5th. April, 2016. ... The names Karl and Kati have been chosen for the two adult black storks.

Re: Black Stork Nest in Karula 2019

Posted: March 27th, 2020, 2:09 pm
by Elena 64
Jo UK wrote:
March 27th, 2020, 12:38 pm
Hello, Elena64.

Yes, we expect to have a camera on a nest in the coming days, when Urmas can do it. Then we wait to see which birds arrive!
Thanks!!!

Re: Black Stork Nest in Karula 2019

Posted: March 27th, 2020, 2:10 pm
by Elena 64
Solo wrote:
March 27th, 2020, 1:13 pm
2019
2.04.2019 Previously unknown male arrived at the nest.
4.04.2019 Kati arrived. She accepted the new male immediately and they mated uncountable times. This new male is named Karl II

(by Jo on the first page - Significant events: viewtopic.php?p=638918#p638918)

2018
KARL arrived at the nest on April 8 at 12.35 and at 18.25 Kati arrived

2017
KARL arrived at the nest on April 4 at 10.37
KATI arrived at the nest on April 9 at 14.38

2016
Two adult black storks arrived at the nest on 5th. April, 2016. ... The names Karl and Kati have been chosen for the two adult black storks.
Thanks!!!

Re: Black Stork Nest in Karula 2019

Posted: March 28th, 2020, 6:20 pm
by pet@home
Hello to all! I would be so grateful, if the camera will be online soon. Unpatiently I await Karl II and Kati. Edi is on the way and also the female in one of the Polish nests has just arrive .. :shake: