Lesser Spotted Eagle Webcam Discussion 2009 ~ Eha & Koit

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alice44 wrote:Was there another food drop off? Something on the nest looks like a birds claw.
I think its the same Koit brought at 6.48

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So a dried bird not a frog.
But it is very odd looking thing.
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I was just watching Eha feeding the Spots and Spot 1 was not so much interested in the food as pecking away at Spot 2. it was quite heart-breaking to watch, I think it's pretty obvious what will happen soon... :shock:
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hedvig wrote:I was just watching Eha feeding the Spots and Spot 1 was not so much interested in the food as pecking away at Spot 2. it was quite heart-breaking to watch, I think it's pretty obvious what will happen soon... :shock:
I saw it too :cry:

Poor little Spot 2, sorry to say too, but I dont see any chance here, perhaps its better not to watch today/tomorrow
Lets say Spot Jun. chirped (yet) :cry:

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I missed it.
I love little Spot 1 but I just do not want to see this.
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"Not to watch" is not a solution. The elder chick is not sensible, he is not aware of what he's doing. But we all realize what happens, we could save the younger chick but did nothing to do that. That is the worst thing. :protest:

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When I began look at the camera in nature an elderly men told me that in nest for bird of prey never more than one chick used to survive. I was afraid for Tiny the owl and Kluti.But the man hade wrong. He have been working in the forrest and hadn´t the same knowledge as people here.
When we began look at Eha we was told that historical NEVER more than one chick will survive. I think we have to let it go on. We are here to look at the nature and it is in that way it will be. Awful to look at, but we can´t change it. :dunno:

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asteria wrote:"Not to watch" is not a solution. The elder chick is not sensible, he is not aware of what he's doing. But we all realize what happens, we could save the younger chick but did nothing to do that. That is the worst thing. :protest:

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Asteria, the main aim of webcams are to observe and learn the nature, not to interfere and break in on.
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Oliv, we can understand you clearly.

If anyone goes to the nest now, the adults will likely abandon the nest.
Perhaps Urmas can comment on this situation, if he has time to visit here.
We have read that in one part of Germany, the second egg is taken from LSE nests and incubated elsewhere, and those chicks live to migrate successfully. That is just one part of one country. In years to come, this may become a more widespread practice in other countries.
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If we had not changed anything, not one but all the eggs from Klaara's nest would have been stolen by the marten.
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Jo UK wrote:Oliv, we can understand you clearly.

If anyone goes to the nest now, the adults will likely abandon the nest.
Perhaps Urmas can comment on this situation, if he has time to visit here.
We have read that in one part of Germany, the second egg is taken from LSE nests and incubated elsewhere, and those chicks live to migrate successfully. That is just one part of one country. In years to come, this may become a more widespread practice in other countries.
There are two ways:

1.Take away the second chick
2. Additional food, that would be too much for one chick, so he wouldn't have to fight for it.
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asteria wrote: There are two ways:

1.Take away the second chick
2. Additional food, that would be too much for one chick, so he wouldn't have to fight for it.
That is not bad idea, but what to do with other nests? It is not only one lesser spotted eagle nest?
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Jo UK wrote: We have read that in one part of Germany, the second egg is taken from LSE nests and incubated elsewhere, and those chicks live to migrate successfully.
Yes, I have heard, that they take out the second chick and raise it for some time until it has a chance to survive, and than put it back in the nest, where the two can grow up.
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Hi!

I think no food can save the little Spot, because it is not the reason why it is being killed by Spot #1. There could be a mountain of mouse and frogs, it still would happen this way simply because LSE do this and always did. May be it is sad, but I try to look at this without too many emotions, because we are a kind of intruders in Eha's and Koit' life (even if they don't know it) and we should respect them and the way they manage their life. In Germany they take the Abels out of the nest because LSE is almoust extinct in these regions, not because of some human feelings about poor little eaglets. I would be glad, if Baltic states could afford not to interfere into LSE life (except ringing and watching).
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Even if there was more food, I don't think it would alter the bigger chick's behaviour. It is embedded in him/her to do that, no matter how much food there is.
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Eha looks still wet, now she is preening herself
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More food would mean just more food in the "pantry", not feeding more. There is now some prey lying in the nest...

Ps latgaliite I agree with every word you wrote
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kenny wrote: its head-lock
look headlock:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chris ... adlock.jpg

armlock is a single or double joint lock that hyperextends, hyperflexes or hyperrotates the elbow joint and/or shoulder joint.

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Maybe it's the right time to read again Urmas's post from 24.May

Urmas said: "That's very kind of you all, discussing about possible rescue actions!
As we observe first time (maybe in a history) whole nesting period of lesser spotted eagle (LSE) pair - we wouldn't interfere in whatever reason.

There have been many projects in the near past, where one egg was incubated artificially and the chick put into nest again after a month, put into nest in other country (eg. Latvia-Germany) to increase population size.

But in Estonia LSE population is quite well at the moment and we rather should learn, what happens in nest naturally, though it could be hard to stand these observations.

Usually older chick will take all the food from parent (from Eha probably) and other chick simply can't survive. In one-two cases of hundred both chicks grow successfully up (never in that nest before we know)."

It's here:
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=106&p=38771#p38771
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Thanks for that reminder of Urmas's post, Yarko.

We can not allow human sentiment to cause interference in the lives of birds on just one nest.
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