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Re: Estonian Osprey Nest (Irma & Ivo) 2018
Posted: June 13th, 2018, 6:26 pm
by seira
Sunshine,
Chicks are growing quickly, I also often confuse them when I don’t always watch the cam. I remember someone saying that why did the chicks not have their foot ring when they were born ? This will not confuse
Bea, I miss your fish topic, It was very interesting and fun. I remember if I couldn’t recognize what the fish was, anyway, it was a Carp family.
Re: Estonian Osprey Nest (Irma & Ivo) 2018
Posted: June 13th, 2018, 7:01 pm
by Birdfriend
Juri wrote: ↑June 13th, 2018, 4:07 pm
Hello Birdfriend!
Do you know if there is a notable difference in survival rate between the youngest and elder birds? I would assume that when food is limited, it's the youngest who suffers, but I'm wondering how is it in situations where there is plenty of food available. Does the pecking lower the survival rate?
Hi, Juri! I don't know exactly. You are right, when the food is less, will it difficult for the youngest to survive the nest stage. I think the pecking (bonking) is normal between the siblings until to a certain point. This is not a reason for a lower survival rate. But it gives nests with an very high potential of aggression most against the youngest and in special cases it can end lethal.
But I don't know, if the youngest or elder chicks more chances have to survive. The first year is very crucial, some say, the submissive chicks have a better chance, because they have learned to wait for food and could also sharing preys. with others.
Re: Estonian Osprey Nest (Irma & Ivo) 2018
Posted: June 13th, 2018, 8:05 pm
by Juri
Sunshine wrote: ↑June 13th, 2018, 5:50 pm
Hmm,
seira, you seem to be right..
I checked the videos. All the time the chick No #1 was the lightest from shading, the change was really sudden..
I am sorry for this confusion
Sunshine, don't worry! I was puzzled by this too. Even after several years of following, I'm still amazed, how fast the chicks grow.
Re: Estonian Osprey Nest (Irma & Ivo) 2018
Posted: June 13th, 2018, 8:13 pm
by Juri
Birdfriend wrote: ↑June 13th, 2018, 7:01 pm
The first year is very crucial, some say, the submissive chicks have a better chance, because they have learned to wait for food and could also sharing preys. with others.
This is an interesting theory!
Re: Estonian Osprey Nest (Irma & Ivo) 2018
Posted: June 13th, 2018, 8:28 pm
by Juri
Around 20:19 Ivo brought half a fish, witch wasn't very big. The Smallie got none!! Zero pieces of fish!
Re: Estonian Osprey Nest (Irma & Ivo) 2018
Posted: June 13th, 2018, 9:33 pm
by Owlie
Birdfriend wrote: ↑June 13th, 2018, 7:01 pm
The first year is very crucial, some say, the submissive chicks have a better chance, because they have learned to wait for food and could also sharing preys. with others.
It is logical, the position as the "weakest" can train patience and creative intellect to cope with circumstances what ever they are. The smallest does not get anything free, it needs its creativity to survive. The oldest maybe has it easier as the strongest physically - but does not need to work (its intellect) for its position.
Re: Estonian Osprey Nest (Irma & Ivo) 2018
Posted: June 14th, 2018, 12:00 am
by chicktrick
Juri wrote: ↑June 13th, 2018, 8:28 pm
Around 20:19 Ivo brought half a fish, witch wasn't very big. The Smallie got none!! Zero pieces of fish!
Don't worry small chocolate is getting enough. Irma is great Mum and Ivo is providing well. Small choco doesn't need as much because he is smaller.
Re: Estonian Osprey Nest (Irma & Ivo) 2018
Posted: June 14th, 2018, 8:38 am
by Rita
14th June 2018; 08:36 hours:
Chicks sleeping with a bit of morning sun,
Irma preening:
Re: Estonian Osprey Nest (Irma & Ivo) 2018
Posted: June 14th, 2018, 11:25 am
by Jenny
Good morning,
All three up to get some food
Re: Estonian Osprey Nest (Irma & Ivo) 2018
Posted: June 14th, 2018, 11:45 am
by Bea
seira wrote: ↑June 13th, 2018, 6:26 pm
Bea, I miss your fish topic, It was very interesting and fun. I remember if I couldn’t recognize what the fish was, anyway, it was a Carp family.
Sometimes it is definitely still not easy to identify which fish we see .... especially when they have no more head or are even half eaten already
Re: Estonian Osprey Nest (Irma & Ivo) 2018
Posted: June 14th, 2018, 12:11 pm
by Sunshine
10:55
The kids are all enjoying another lovely, sunny day.
Re: Estonian Osprey Nest (Irma & Ivo) 2018
Posted: June 14th, 2018, 12:12 pm
by Sunshine
11:11
Ivo brings a fish. A... small fish
11:13
The small choco is squeezed in between both eldest
Re: Estonian Osprey Nest (Irma & Ivo) 2018
Posted: June 14th, 2018, 12:24 pm
by Sunshine
12:11
Precisely one hour later - another delivery!
Kids are all eating with a good appetite. Irma is feeding them very carefully - one morsel in each beak.
No wonder that they grow so fast - with such a good fisherman as their dad and such an experienced, attentive mum.
Re: Estonian Osprey Nest (Irma & Ivo) 2018
Posted: June 14th, 2018, 12:33 pm
by Sunshine
12:26
The feeding is finished; everyone is knocked out.
Re: Estonian Osprey Nest (Irma & Ivo) 2018
Posted: June 14th, 2018, 1:08 pm
by mogga
This is the day of home remodelling.
From 4:00 to 10:00 I found 10 (!) deliveries of branches and bark.
Here are three of them.
Re: Estonian Osprey Nest (Irma & Ivo) 2018
Posted: June 14th, 2018, 1:08 pm
by Summi
What happened to the kid Irma stepped on? I cannot watch!
ED: Irma was moving a forky branch and stepped several times on the smallest (?). I cannot make pictures and forgot to fix the exact time.
Re: Estonian Osprey Nest (Irma & Ivo) 2018
Posted: June 14th, 2018, 1:19 pm
by Sunshine
mogga wrote: ↑June 14th, 2018, 1:08 pm
This is the day of home remodelling.
From 4:00 to 10:00 I found 10 (!) deliveries of branches and bark.
mogga, I also saw that the nest seems re-furnished today, thanks for looking into this
Re: Estonian Osprey Nest (Irma & Ivo) 2018
Posted: June 14th, 2018, 1:21 pm
by Sunshine
Re: Estonian Osprey Nest (Irma & Ivo) 2018
Posted: June 14th, 2018, 1:30 pm
by Summi
Sunshine, thank you
The worst stepping was when Irma backed up and I got really scared as the kid did not move for a while.
Re: Estonian Osprey Nest (Irma & Ivo) 2018
Posted: June 14th, 2018, 2:19 pm
by Gavril
Birdfriend wrote: ↑June 13th, 2018, 7:01 pm
......I think the pecking (bonking) is normal between the siblings until
to a certain point. This is not a reason for a lower survival rate. But it gives nests with an very high potential of aggression most against the youngest and in special cases it can end lethal.......
Last year, the youngest chick of the Tina - Teo couple was pecked to the point that it became submissive and pathetic. Young WTE has completed the torment of the youngest....For him, Junior was an easy mark. It was painful to see!