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Thanks a lot for the weather report, Sova!

SUMMARY November 27

KARULA (Hatched 20.05.2018)
• Birdmap was set to spring migration and a new distance measurement started on 15.02.2019.
The overall flown distance until 14.02.2019 was 6606 km.
• Birdmap was set to autumn migration and a new distance measurement started on 15.07.2019.
Between 14.02.2019 and 14.07.2019, Karula flew 3012 km.
The overall flown distance until 14.07.2019 was 9618 km.
• Birdmap was set to spring migration and a new distance measurement started on 15.02.2020.
Between 15.07.2019 and 14.02.2020, Karula flew 2792 km.
The overall flown distance until 14.02.2020 was 12410 km.
• Birdmap was set to autumn migration and a new distance measurement started on 19.07.2020.
Between 14.02.2020 and 18.07.2020, Karula flew 11675 km.
The overall flown distance until 18.07.2020 was 24085 km.

Last birdmap data: 26.11.2020
Distance 5026 km (+ 32 km in 5 days), same area, near Tal Al-Mantah (Jordan River Valley) in Jordan
Weather report on 27.11 in Tall al Manţaḩ at 10:00
Temp 2 m above the ground: 17°
Temp 500 m above the ground: 14°
Precipitation:
07:00 – 0.1 mm
10:00 – 0.1 mm
13:00 – 0.1 mm
16:00 – 0.1 mm
Cloud cover: 10% - 90%
Humidity: 70%
Air pressure: 1018 hPa
Wind 10 m – E/SE (04 km/h)
Wind 100 m – E/SE (02 km/h)
Wind 250 m – E/SE (04 km/h)
Wind 500 m – E/SE (07 km/h)
Weather report on 27.11 in Tall al Manţaḩ at 16:00
Temp 2 m above the ground: 18°
Temp 500 m above the ground: 15°
Humidity: 80%
Air pressure: 1016 hPa
Wind 10 m – NE (03 km/h)
Wind 100 m – E/NE (08 km/h)
Wind 250 m – E/NE (08 km/h)
Wind 500 m – E/NE (05 km/h)

KARL II
Last birdmap data: 23.10.2020
Distance: 7111 km (+1169 km in 4 days), in the desert of North Kordofan in Sudan.

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28. November

Good Morning

Thank you dear Anne for your effort. All of this is understandable . I actually wondered why they started breeding so late at all. Whether this is the second brood or not. I thought that I read that the BS (and other birds) have an * internal clock * that they know it is too late.
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sova wrote: November 28th, 2020, 7:48 am Good Morning

Thank you dear Anne for your effort. All of this is understandable . I actually wondered why they started breeding so late at all. Whether this is the second brood or not. I thought that I read that the BS (and other birds) have an * internal clock * that they know it is too late.
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Sorry, Sova, for misunderstanding your question. :blush:

Yes, a good question, why do they still lay eggs when it is far too late to successfully rear the storklets until they are strong and old enough to fly south? Of course, the reproductive hormone-levels gradually diminish, and don't drop in the blink of an eye... Nevertheless, it would be expected that there is a mechanism (or internal clock) to prevent this enormous waste of effort and lives.

There are more questions that I ask myself.

Why do female BS usualy leave for the south before the storklets are fully fledged? That is exactly at a time when most food is needed on the nest...

And why do Black Storks not fly south with the family? That would be so much easier for the storklets and increase their chances of survival, I believe. The storklets are completely on their own at a time when they are actually still 'toddlers'. They face an incredibly difficult task.

For example: geese travel with the family (and in larger formations). Young geese stay with the adults for an entire year (2 migrations). By flying in V formation the whole flock adds at least 70% greater flying range than if each bird flew on its own.
Finally, and this is important, when a gosling gets exhausted (or is wounded, for example by a gunshot) and falls out of formation, one or (usually?) two, (or more?) other geese fall out with that goose and follow it down to lend help and protection. They stay with the fallen goose until it feels rested, has eaten and can fly again, or until it dies. Only then they launch out on their own, or with another formation, to catch up with their flock.

There must be a good reason why Black Storks have a different, much tougher migration strategy...
In nature, everything has its reasons.
Is it a rigorous natural selection, so that only the extremely strong and extremely talented storklets will survive? I don’t know.
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Anne7 wrote: November 28th, 2020, 1:24 pm ...

There are more questions that I ask myself.
Why do female BS usualy leave for the south before the storklets are fully fledged? That is exactly at a time when most food is needed on the nest...
...
Exactly Anne ... I've already thought about that too
We also see it with the osprey, females leave the nest much earlier (Marko and Miina) ... but there are probably exceptions (Ivo and Iiris) and that's only what we could see with the camera ... and that all of what we don't see
Anne7 wrote: November 28th, 2020, 1:24 pm ...
And why do Black Storks not fly south with the family? ....
For example: geese travel with the family (and in larger formations).
...
... or cranes
Anne7 wrote: November 28th, 2020, 1:24 pm ...
There must be a good reason why Black Storks have a different, much tougher migration strategy...
In nature, everything has its reasons.
Is it a rigorous natural selection, so that only the extremely strong and extremely talented storklets will survive? I don’t know.
it would still be good to know it, to understand it better ... well, that's why nature is so fascinating ...
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KARULA

Tracker map 27.11 - 28.11.2020

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid= ... sp=sharing

This time I can´t see any points from yesterday afternoon.
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sova wrote: November 28th, 2020, 4:18 pm ...it would still be good to know it, to understand it better ... well, that's why nature is so fascinating ...
I agree. :nod:
juta wrote: November 28th, 2020, 6:34 pm KARULA
Tracker map 27.11 - 28.11.2020
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid= ... sp=sharing
This time I can´t see any points from yesterday afternoon.
Thanks, Juta :hi:

If you set in Ornitrack "from yesterday at 15:35 UTC", we will also see the last location from yesterday evening (15:37 UTC).

Karula is still near Tal Al-Mantah.

At 17:38:11 (UTC+2), the battery level was 55%

Today's route is 13 km long

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In the early morning Karula visited a more upstream part of the Zarqa River, near Ma'addi.

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Edit: the times I mention on the pictures are all UTC+2, the local time in Israel.
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Good evening

Juta, Anna .... thank you very much
Weather data is available

nice evening for all :wave:
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Anne, of course I always do like that! :D
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juta wrote: November 28th, 2020, 6:57 pm Anne, of course I always do like that! :D
OK, Juta
Then I don't know what happened...
sova wrote: November 28th, 2020, 6:49 pm Good evening
Juta, Anna .... thank you very much
Weather data is available
nice evening for all :wave:
Many thanks, Sova

SUMMARY November 28

KARULA (Hatched 20.05.2018)
• Birdmap was set to spring migration and a new distance measurement started on 15.02.2019.
The overall flown distance until 14.02.2019 was 6606 km.
• Birdmap was set to autumn migration and a new distance measurement started on 15.07.2019.
Between 14.02.2019 and 14.07.2019, Karula flew 3012 km.
The overall flown distance until 14.07.2019 was 9618 km.
• Birdmap was set to spring migration and a new distance measurement started on 15.02.2020.
Between 15.07.2019 and 14.02.2020, Karula flew 2792 km.
The overall flown distance until 14.02.2020 was 12410 km.
• Birdmap was set to autumn migration and a new distance measurement started on 19.07.2020.
Between 14.02.2020 and 18.07.2020, Karula flew 11675 km.
The overall flown distance until 18.07.2020 was 24085 km.

Last birdmap data: 26.11.2020
Distance 5026 km (+ 32 km in 5 days), same area, near Tal Al-Mantah (Jordan River Valley) in Jordan
Weather report on 28.11 in Tall al Manţaḩ at 10:00
Temp 2 m above the ground: 19°
Temp 500 m above the ground: 15°
Precipitation:
07:00 – 0.2 mm
10:00 – 0.6 mm
16:00 – 1.4 mm
Cloud cover: 90% - 40%
Humidity: 50%
Air pressure: 1019 hPa
Wind 10 m – E (07 km/h)
Wind 100 m – E (05 km/h)
Wind 250 m – E (04 km/h)
Wind 500 m – E (05 km/h)
Weather report on 28.11 in Tall al Manţaḩ at 16:00
Temp 2 m above the ground: 18°
Temp 500 m above the ground: 14°
Humidity: 70%
Air pressure: 1018 hPa
Wind 10 m – W/NW (02 km/h)
Wind 100 m – WN (02 km/h)
Wind 250 m – NW (08 km/h)
Wind 500 m – NW (05 km/h)

KARL II
Last birdmap data: 23.10.2020
Distance: 7111 km (+1169 km in 4 days), in the desert of North Kordofan in Sudan.

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KARULA

Tracker map 28.11 - 29.11.2020

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Hello, everyone! :hi:

Many thanks, Juta.

Karula didn’t fly much today.

At 7:38:34 (UTC+2), the battery level was 50%, so we received less location points.

Today’s route is only 2 km long

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Karula spent all day in these fields.
The fishponds south of it are not visible in Google Maps.
They may no longer exist. I don't know which map is the most recent.

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Good evening

Juta, Anne ... thank you very much
Weather data is available

Nice evening :wave:
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sova wrote: November 29th, 2020, 7:01 pm Good evening

Juta, Anne ... thank you very much
Weather data is available

Nice evening :wave:
Many thanks, Sova :wave:

SUMMARY November 29

KARULA (Hatched 20.05.2018)
• Birdmap was set to spring migration and a new distance measurement started on 15.02.2019.
The overall flown distance until 14.02.2019 was 6606 km.
• Birdmap was set to autumn migration and a new distance measurement started on 15.07.2019.
Between 14.02.2019 and 14.07.2019, Karula flew 3012 km.
The overall flown distance until 14.07.2019 was 9618 km.
• Birdmap was set to spring migration and a new distance measurement started on 15.02.2020.
Between 15.07.2019 and 14.02.2020, Karula flew 2792 km.
The overall flown distance until 14.02.2020 was 12410 km.
• Birdmap was set to autumn migration and a new distance measurement started on 19.07.2020.
Between 14.02.2020 and 18.07.2020, Karula flew 11675 km.
The overall flown distance until 18.07.2020 was 24085 km.

Last birdmap data: 26.11.2020
Distance 5026 km (+ 32 km in 5 days), same area, near Tal Al-Mantah (Jordan River Valley) in Jordan
Weather report on 29.11 in Tall al Manţaḩ at 10:00
Temp 2 m above the ground: 19°
Temp 500 m above the ground: 15°
Precipitation: 0
Cloud cover: 10% - 20%
Humidity: 60%
Air pressure: 1019 hPa
Wind 10 m – S (06 km/h)
Wind 100 m – S (04 km/h)
Wind 250 m – S (04 km/h)
Wind 500 m – S (01 km/h)
Weather report on 29.11 in Tall al Manţaḩ at 16:00
Temp 2 m above the ground: 19°
Temp 500 m above the ground: 16°
Humidity: 60%
Air pressure: 1018 hPa
Wind 10 m – NW (03 km/h)
Wind 100 m – NW (01 km/h)
Wind 250 m – NW (03 km/h)
Wind 500 m – NW (03 km/h)

KARL II
Last birdmap data: 23.10.2020
Distance: 7111 km (+1169 km in 4 days), in the desert of North Kordofan in Sudan.

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November 30th

Hello, everyone :wave:

Jo isn't at home at the moment, so I made today's map.

TRACKER MAP
Karula_November30
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid= ... sp=sharing

Today, Karula flew to the Zarqa River

At 17:37:34 (UTC+2), the battery level was 52%.

This route is 8.61 km long.

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Good evening

Anne, thank you very much
Weather data is available

nice evening :wave:
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sova wrote: November 30th, 2020, 6:59 pm Good evening

Anne, thank you very much
Weather data is available

nice evening :wave:
Many thanks, Sova :wave:

SUMMARY November 30

KARULA (Hatched 20.05.2018)
• Birdmap was set to spring migration and a new distance measurement started on 15.02.2019.
The overall flown distance until 14.02.2019 was 6606 km.
• Birdmap was set to autumn migration and a new distance measurement started on 15.07.2019.
Between 14.02.2019 and 14.07.2019, Karula flew 3012 km.
The overall flown distance until 14.07.2019 was 9618 km.
• Birdmap was set to spring migration and a new distance measurement started on 15.02.2020.
Between 15.07.2019 and 14.02.2020, Karula flew 2792 km.
The overall flown distance until 14.02.2020 was 12410 km.
• Birdmap was set to autumn migration and a new distance measurement started on 19.07.2020.
Between 14.02.2020 and 18.07.2020, Karula flew 11675 km.
The overall flown distance until 18.07.2020 was 24085 km.

Last birdmap data: 30.11.2020
Distance 5069 km (+ 43 km in 4 days), same area, near Tal Al-Mantah (Jordan River Valley) in Jordan
Weather report on 30.11 in Tall al Manţaḩ at 10:00
Temp 2 m above the ground: 22°
Temp 500 m above the ground: 16°
Precipitation: 0
Cloud cover: 10%
Humidity: 50%
Air pressure: 1017 hPa
Wind 10 m – S/SE (04 km/h)
Wind 100 m – S/SE (04 km/h)
Wind 250 m – S/SE (03 km/h)
Wind 500 m – S/SE (03 km/h)
Weather report on 30.11 in Tall al Manţaḩ at 16:00
Temp 2 m above the ground: 18°
Temp 500 m above the ground: 18°
Humidity: 50%
Air pressure: 1014 hPa
Wind 10 m – SE (05 km/h)
Wind 100 m – SE (07 km/h)
Wind 250 m – SE (06 km/h)
Wind 500 m – E (05 km/h)

KARL II
Last birdmap data: 23.10.2020
Distance: 7111 km (+1169 km in 4 days), in the desert of North Kordofan in Sudan.

Have a good night, everyone
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Hello everyone, :hi:

many thanks, Anne and Sova, for the pictures and weather data!
Hopefully Karula’s battery level increases sometime.

Have a good evening, too! :wave:
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Hello, Michi :wave:

We have a birdmap update for little VEDRU

He/she didn't stay in Israel. :slap:
Vedru is currently in Egypt.

• Previous data: 26.11.2020, distance 5269 km (+ 13 km in 2 days), near Kfar Ruppin in Israel.
NEW data: 30.11.2020, distance 6010 km (+ 741 km in 4 days), near the National forest Mangam Al Fawakheer, El Qoseir in Egypt

It looks like Vedru started to travel on 28.11. I can only find 2 possible night areas + his current (night) location.
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His current area, the National forest Mangam Al Fawakheer, El Qoseir (Aug 2019):
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https://goo.gl/maps/sHFbQfWTNGbir6ma9

Now it's bedtime. :D :offtobed:
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01. Dezember

Good Morning
:hi: Michi
Anne7 wrote: December 1st, 2020, 12:34 am ...
We have a birdmap update for little VEDRU
...
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sova wrote: December 1st, 2020, 8:31 am
Hello everyone :hi:

Many thank, Sova, for your impressive 3D views of Vedru's last known location. :thumbs:

He/she is flying over the mountain chains of the Eastern Desert
"The Eastern Desert consists of a rolling sandy highland that rises abruptly from the Nile valley and merges some 80 to 137 km east of the Nile into the Red Sea Hills, a series of rugged volcanic, north–south-trending mountain chains that reach a maximum height 2,187 metres at Mount Shāʾib al-Banāt. The desert receives occasional rainfall and is extensively dissected by wadis (dry beds of seasonal streams). Most of the sedentary population lives in small fishing, mining, or petroleum-extracting communities along the Red Sea coastal plain east of the Red Sea Hills. Nomadic desert dwellers live by herding and trading. The Eastern Desert, relatively isolated from the rest of Egypt, is rich in natural resources including Egypt’s major oil fields (located both onshore and offshore in the Gulf of Suez) and deposits of phosphate, asbestos, manganese, uranium, and gold."
https://www.britannica.com/place/Eastern-Desert

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I'm not sure there is a real forest near or at Vedru's latest known location, as Google Maps indicates. :puzzled:
https://goo.gl/maps/sHFbQfWTNGbir6ma9

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Our vedru flew very near or over the highest peak of the Eastern Desert mountain range: Gabal Sha'ib El Banat.
One can see it here: https://up.picr.de/39986254pz.png

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Gabal Sha'ib El Banat is a mountain in Egypt, situated in the Saharan Eastern Desert, 40 km from the Red Sea, between the cities of Hurghada and Safaga.
Gabal Sha'ib El Banat is the highest peak of the Eastern Desert mountain range (elevation: 2,187 m), and is the highest peak of mainland Egypt (excluding the Sinai Peninsula).
Peaks
The group of peaks of the Shaiyb al-Banat is composed of four mountains:
• Gabal Abu Dukhan (1,705 m)
• Gabal Qattar (or Gattar, 1,963 m)
• Gabal Shayeb El-Banat (2,187 m)
• Gabal Umm Anab (1,782 m)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabal_Sha%27ib_El_Banat
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