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Re: Petition About Nimetu, from Dr. Madis's topic.

Post by Felis silvestris » January 18th, 2013, 6:53 pm

Thanks for letting us know what has happened in the meantime. It's a hard job and I guess not easy to get through to the right authorities. Thanks for being persistent! If you need further or again help from us ... I guess we are still ready!
Sadly we read again and again about poaching, for whatever reason, and if it is just the fun of shooting!
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Post by Manu » January 18th, 2013, 7:10 pm

Thank you Dr. Madis for the update what was happened. I admire your efforts to help those wild animals. It is sometimes really hard work :nod: .

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Post by Chimega » January 20th, 2013, 6:55 am

Madis wrote:Hello!
Yes, the Eagles soft tissues where mostly consumed, therefore we did not have lots of material to examine, but as lead is so soft and while traveling through tissues loses up to 50% of its mass due to fragmentation, we had few larger fragments and lots of tiny pieces on the remaining carcass on radiographs (radiographic find is the gold standard proving shot injuries). Adding the good condition (back fat) of the eagle and the radiographic find, and the data from tracking device, there is sufficient evidence what is enough to state that the eagle was shot.
Now, after that the circus started when the inspectorate and ministry of environment started to speculate that there is no conclusive evidence as to how Nimeta died, yet he was full of lead fragments and had NONE in his body when he was released just days before (conclusions of the cause of death can be made only by a licensed veterinarians, according to law)
After the pressure what you guys have been doing, they asked from one of my colleague (veterinary pathologist at the Uni.) to "fish out" some fragments and yes he got out 3 metal fragments. And then those fragments where sent to Estonian Forensic Science Institute, for chemical analyse and so far all of the 3 expertise's (mine, vet pathologist, and Estonian Forensic Science Institute) have stated the same, that its lead from standard ammunition used in hunting, so the bird has been shot! Well, so far over 3 moths have gone to proving what I proved at the beginning, legally on the rights that the law gives to an veterinarian.
Also we are back in the beginning as those fragments will not give us no new knowledge (don't have name of the shooter on them) but only prove again what has been said by me and also by other competent specialists... lets hope that they will now put the energy and resources to cracking the circle defense of those local poachers (sorry but those people don't deserve to be called hunters, so lets call em as they are... poachers!).
Coming now back to the suspects, the local hunters from Simuna jahtkond, the leader, Raul Vahter, and also other members are owners and workers for a company Artiston (http://www.artiston.ee/) Its a big private forestry. As i see, their motive would be forest management as protected species, nesting in their managed forest, will put strict prohibition to their management and therefore they will lose green stuff as they are not allowed to cut town the trees in 200m around the eagles nest. As its a powerful company, the local people relie from they jobs what that company may provide to that region, so its hard to get anybody standing up and confessing against their boss :(
My current concern is, was Nimeta the only? if we look at the small feeding place on webcam and the amount of eagles, the field in Simuna was bigger and with so much more food. I believe that there may have been more eagles feeding there!
Anyways, its a new kind of case for the Inspectorate as there has been nobody before who could determine criminal activities against wildlife and there will be more cases like that coming up as I plan to report all acts of that kind to the authority's. I hope they don't mind me poking around and discovering that everything ain't that good The collaboration between us and authority's is crucial and sometimes some heavy interest from abroad puts snowballs to move. At the end of the day lets keep our wildlife safe as it is an important part of our environment!
Cheers and thanks for all the help tough there is lot still to do!
Hello Madis! :wave:

I am so glad you wrote. So, ah ha!! Now we have a good idea what happened to Nimeta as far as why he was killed. I suspect other birds, especially anything endangered were killed or they attempted to kill them so that they can cut down the forest, rather than save it. And because there was more than one carcass, this tells me they were attracting more eagles or raptors than Nimeta.

I am still working with the petition, mainly on twitter but in all the Facebook groups from time to time. I can't seem to find more people to sign on Facebook but the animal right's groups on twitter are re-tweeting the petition and some have signed it which is encouraging. The group, Raptor Politics, located in the UK had posted it on their own website, along with a link to the article on Looduskalender, explaining what happened with Nimeta and the investigation, too. This is good!

I would really like to get more people to sign so we will have more to turn in, any time we need to. The petition is actually "good" for 2 years from the date I started it and we can get as many signatures as the amount of people we can convince to sign it.

I would like to ask anyone here who can, please keep pushing the petition and asking for signatures, especially on twitter and any Facebook group you can. That's about all I know that we can do.
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Post by juta » January 20th, 2013, 8:57 am

Hello!

On Facebook Looduskalender shared this article (via Viido Polikarpus):

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01 ... -lake?lite
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Post by alice44 » January 20th, 2013, 9:00 am

juta wrote:Hello!

On Facebook Looduskalender shared this article (via Viido Polikarpus):

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01 ... -lake?lite
I noticed it -- this happened not so far from my home so it really hit home. Hopefully with the reward they will catch someone.

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Post by alice44 » January 21st, 2013, 11:35 pm

Fake eagle video could be behind increase in bird shootings, expert says
ANTIGO — An online video of a hawk grabbing a baby that was revealed to be a hoax could be behind an increase in bird shootings, one wildlife rehabilitation expert says.

The Raptor Education Group, a wildlife rehabilitation center near Antigo, has taken in four hawks and two bald eagles since the video was released, Executive Director Marge Gibson said. Six birds, all of which were shot, are at least twice as many as the center usually gets in one month, she said.

The video surfaced on Dec. 18 on YouTube and quickly became viral, gaining speed and views on sites such as Facebook and Twitter. It now has more than 41 million views. The video was created by students at a Montreal animation school; they admitted the video was a hoax on Dec. 19.

Gibson said the video sparked fear in people, and even though the students admitted it was a hoax, false information seems to spread much more quickly than corrections do.
http://www.wausaudailyherald.com/articl ... ck_check=1

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Post by Felis silvestris » January 22nd, 2013, 8:28 am

I read that too, it's really terrible how a stupid film like this can do that! :rant: And how stupid people can be! :banghead:
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Post by Wil Muller » January 22nd, 2013, 5:21 pm

Alice, what a terrible story, how could they do that? :rant:
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Post by Chimega » January 23rd, 2013, 3:11 am

There are also a LOT of reports of lead poisoned eagles being found. :cry:
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Post by Eden » January 23rd, 2013, 8:35 pm

Starling wrote:"Another eagle victim of lead" :rant:
http://www.metsloom.ee/en/uudised-rus/1 ... -ohvriks-2
Unbelievable that this Environmental boards technician kept the eagle for 5 days :banghead:
What is normally the job of such a man?
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Post by Wil Muller » January 25th, 2013, 9:38 am

Starling wrote:"Another eagle victim of lead" :rant:
http://www.metsloom.ee/en/uudised-rus/1 ... -ohvriks-2
:banghead: How terrible. Will they never learn to do the right thing :rant:
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Post by Chimega » March 14th, 2013, 12:11 pm

I am very sorry I haven't been around for about a week or so. Many, many things going on right now, rescued house finch with conjunctivitis, rehabbers here at my home, coming back with the finch, later today for release. I've been gone a lot but for good reasons.

I just read the thread about the poisoned eagles and this makes me think this petition needs to be stepped up and passed around again and again. I will be working further with it, later today, once I have time to sit back down to the computer. This, as sad as it is, should be added to the petition if these are birds poisoned or shot in Estonia as the minister of the environment needs to take a good hard look at what is going on there!

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