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Post by robin » February 17th, 2009, 4:34 pm

http://www.ilm.ee/?45580
Today, at 17 february, at informations society year conference "The Wise Man in the Pocket" handed over the awards in competition the Best sisuteenus(didnt find that word) 2009 winners .Category of e-learning and education is the winner Looduskalender! The winners got for award Tiina Sarapuu`s authorwork glassbook.

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Post by AllyKass » February 17th, 2009, 4:45 pm

robin wrote:http://www.ilm.ee/?45580
Today, at 17 february, Looduskalender got an award at information society year conference "The Wise Man in Pocket" .Category of e-learning and education is the winner Looduskalender! The winners got for award Tiina Sarapuu`s authorwork glassbook.
congratulations, looduskalender :headroll:
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Post by Patsycat » February 17th, 2009, 5:32 pm

Brilliant news, Looduskalender!!
It's so good to be recognised in this way :nod: :D :headroll:
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Post by yarko » February 17th, 2009, 7:16 pm

Agence France-Presse:
'Video of wild boar feeding, frolicking in the snow a big hit on the Internet'
http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_pape ... id=1230627
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Post by Jo UK » February 18th, 2009, 10:13 am

On 17 February, Looduskalender got an award in the Best e-content 2009/ Parim sisuteenus 2009 competition!

Looduskalender got the award as best in category Electronic learning & education (8 categories in all, 8 competitors in LK's group). Winners were announced at the information society's annual conference "Wise man in your pocket/Tark mees taskus"*


Award-winners' contributions also go on to World Summit Award competition (in the beginning of April 2009).


Conference, 'for e-Estonia & its e-visionaries', was promoted / under the auspices of the Ministry of Economic Affairs and Communications to further best practices and innovative ideas for e-content. It was opened by former Prime Minister Mart Laar. All could follow the event on the web.


The World Summit Award (WSA) is the global contest to select best practice in e-Content and innovative ICT applications. The contest shows that new media keep the promise and can contribute to a better world. It increases public awareness for ingenious content ideas and applications with a twist, thus assisting in marketing high-quality multimedia products.
The national winners in the eight WSA categories are submitted by the Eminent Expert from each country based on the national jury process. In the absence of an open national contest, Eminent Experts conduct a national selection panel in order to select in an objective and fair manner the best from their countries.



*Conference title, „Wise man in your pocket/Tark mees taskus" refers to a well-known Estonian children's tale by 19th-century; author Friedrich Reinhold Kreutzwald.


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Added on 19, February- thanks to Yarko for this photoraph of the award - The Glass Book.
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Post by leanne » February 18th, 2009, 11:08 am

really great!! that had to happen! congratulations to looduskalender :2thumbsup:

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Post by unp » February 18th, 2009, 3:24 pm

Liis wrote: ...can anyone please explain the bandwidth / average time (secs) relation a little - if there is any at all, for the countries ranking...
Not that all those figures can be readily explained by an outsider - there are too many uncertainties and unknowns - but bandwidth seems to be the most hard and fast metric. In this case, it must mean "the amount of traffic on a Web site" (http://www.netlingo.com), i.e., number of gigabytes shipped to users and can be used to roughly assess the number of watchers.

Given the declared transfer rate of 700 Kbps, the amount of outgoing traffic for a user, or rather the computer of such a user, watching the cam 24 hours a day would be 700*60*60*24 = 60,480,000 Kb = 7.2 GB. This is an ideal figure that needs to be decreased to take account of image freezes, sound failures, etc. A realistic figure can be anywhere between 4 GB and 6 GB (just a very wild guess).

This seems to be supported by my own experience. Last year, when watching the black stork cam I noticed that my normal incoming traffic grew by about 60 GB in June and by about 50 GB in July. I had the cam on almost every day, dawn to dusk, so roughly half a day's watching or having the cam on meant about 2 GB a day.

Therefore, say, on Feb 11 (bandwidth = 3388.28 GB) there were 3388.29 GB : 2 GB = 1694 watchers who had their cam on for 12 hours, or 3388 watchers for 6 hours, or 6776 watchers for 3 hours, or... But can someone watching the cam for 5 seconds or 5 minutes a day be called a serious pig cam enthusiast?

On the other hand, any such figure will inevitably be an understatement. There may be families where more than one person watches the cam. There may be corporate networks where there are more than one viewer behind a single IP address. There may be, and are, websites that relay the direct stream. So, there must be a multiplier but I wouldn't even want to guess what it looks like.

All of the above may, of course, be utterly wrong.

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Post by Kuremari » February 25th, 2009, 11:23 pm

Boris Gordon, the Looduskalender Russian interpreter wrote:
On the 20th of February, Moscow Central TV showed at it`s prime-time, quite a long clip
about Looduskalender and Wild Boar camera.
There was told about the volunteers/cam watchers gathering acorns and bringing food for boars.The number of watchers of pig cam, 3 millions, was also mentioned.
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Post by Jo UK » February 25th, 2009, 11:36 pm

Gosh!
Thank you, Russia.

3million - amazing number of people watching wild boar!

Yet, it is more that just the animals. What is it that draws people to watch? We all want to say "It's the connection with nature that is fascinating" but that seems unsatisfactory. There is more to it, but how to put it into words - umm - on another topic!
How about Conversations? It's a Picnic Ground topic - we can chew it over there.

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Post by unp » February 26th, 2009, 12:00 pm

Kuremari wrote:Boris Gordon, the Looduskalender Russian interpreter wrote:
On the 20th of February, Moscow Central TV showed at it`s prime-time, quite a long clip about Looduskalender and Wild Boar camera.
There was told about the volunteers/cam watchers gathering acorns and bringing food for boars.The number of watchers of pig cam, 3 millions, was also mentioned.
Nothing that appears below is intended to hurt anyone's feelings. This is a fruit of my simple mind, an unfortunate desire to keep figures straight, my life-long curse that time doesn't seem to cure. I still think "Men han har jo ikke noget paa! - But he has nothing on!" to be a great phrase though inconvenient at times. I do respect the team of looduskalendar and their efforts and think that their activities to spread environmental knowledge are laudable and the award/s they have received is/are well deserved. My point is that not all media reports can be trusted. The following quotations are intended to illustrate that point.

The story as presented by Russia's Channel One (sorry, it's in Russian; summed up in the quoted post though) - http://www.1tv.ru/news/world/138475

From Heart of a Dog by Mikhail Bulgakov, English translation by Michael Glenny
'And what to say while you're eating. Yes, my dear sir. If you care about your digestion, my advice is - don't talk about bolshevism or medicine at table. And, God forbid - never read Soviet newspapers before dinner.'
'M'mm... But there are no other newspapers.'
'In that case don't read any at all. Do you know I once made thirty tests in my clinic. And what do you think? The patients who never read newspapers felt excellent. Those whom I specially made read Pravda all lost weight.'
'H'm...' rejoined Bormenthal with interest, turning gently pink from the soup and the wine.
'And not only did they lose weight. Their knee reflexes were retarded, they lost appetite and exhibited general depression.'
'Good heavens...'
'Yes, my dear sir. But listen to me - I'm talking about medicine!'

A report by a respected press agency - http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... fBFG7SPXvA
"Estonia's fake shoe ban catches out Russian media
Jan 12, 2009
TALLINN (AFP) — Estonians had a laugh at their neighbour's expense Monday, as Russian media reported as true a fake ban on journalists' footwear after the Iraqi shoe-throwing aimed at US President George W. Bush.
"It seems we are living in an era of total humour deficit," said the Estonian magazine Eesti Ekspress, which last week had carried the spurious tale.
The parody report on the purported shoe ban at press conferences in Estonia had by Monday found its way onto lenta.ru, a leading Russian news portal, as well as into other media there.
According to the fake story, which had been published in Eesti Ekspress' regular comic section, Tallinn planned to impose the new rules from February 1.
Eesti Ekspress quoted a supposed government expert with the surname Needus -- "curse" in Estonian -- as saying reporters would have to go barefoot but would be allowed to rent woolen socks if temperatures fell.
Estonia broke free from the crumbling Soviet Union in 1991, and its relations with Moscow have been rocky ever since. Many Estonians complain about unfriendly coverage of their country in the Russian media.
The fake ban was a reference to an incident on December 14 in Iraq, where a local journalist hurled his shoes -- and abuse -- at Bush during the outgoing US president's farewell visit to Baghdad."

I think the figure of 3 million watchers can be attributed to some peculiarities of server statistics, it's a common problem that advertisers know well. However, to put the matter into proper perspective I have to remind myself that I'm writing from a country that has no environmental ministry since 2000 and where you can read reports that birds in an area have not been counted because of the lack of 'appropriate specialists'. This makes me more sure than ever that it's not for me to opine about what others are doing.

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Post by Liis » February 26th, 2009, 4:04 pm

unp wrote:...the figure of 3 million watchers can be attributed to some peculiarities of server statistics, it's a common problem that advertisers know well. .... This makes me more sure than ever that it's not for me to opine about what others are doing.
Oh no, no, UNP - what would we do if there were nothing to discuss? - Of course opinions are allowed (given, obviously, that mine prevail in the end as the simple, pure, & only truth that they are :mrgreen: :mrgreen: )
And thanks for the answer about the viewer statistics, I am still gnawing at the consequences & ramifications of it.
Anyway, the number of viewers, or rather viewings, taken as having a reasonable look at any of the cams, is likely to be somewhere between those 3+ million hits, and the 400 000 IPs. Where among hits might be X times me, getting on the stream X times during a few minutes, due to bad connections, or a real devotee with 24+ hours camera viewing time for one single connect. But 'real' viewings probably nearer the 3 millions than the IPs number.
And whatever, it is still just great!
:dunno: Of course, having just got mobile Internet connection - which bothers my security programs each connect time: 'new connection path, do you really ...' - raises the question of whether I am also a new IP in the statistics each time? But after all, there can't be all that much mobility around, yet.
So great numbers, LK!
PS. Verlit, others - how come that the Czechs are such camera fans? (and maybe we should move the discussion over to some other topic heading, as Jo suggested)

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Post by Jo UK » February 26th, 2009, 5:51 pm

As long as we are discussing Looduskalender in the media, I think this is as good a place as any. Difficult to know when to move to another to topic, here. We are OK, where we are!

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Post by unp » February 27th, 2009, 4:23 pm

Liis wrote: ...given, obviously, that mine prevail in the end as the simple, pure, & only truth that they are :mrgreen: :mrgreen:...
There are only two opinions - mine and the wrong one :protest: . But... whatever you say...

The following figures were provided for the pig camera (covering a period of 64 days):
1|Hits |3,289,465
2|Bandwidth |257,555.95 GB
3|Unique IPs |411,025
7|Referring Sites|166
8|Referrers |604
9|Countries |133

Unique IPs. There are different explanations: "Most ISP's assign people dynamic IP addresses", "I've noticed many misconceptions as to the nature of "Dynamic" IP assignment. DHCP leases are generally awarded to the same client (based on MAC address) if that client requests that IP address within a short period of time after its expiration. The result is a nearly static IP address. The only time it ever changes is if you turn off your computer and during its off time your lease expires. If from the command prompt you type "ipconfig /all", you'll notice the lease begin and end times which is usually 1 to 3 days", "I work at the ISP in Europe. We give out dynamic addresses, and even if a client disconnects and reconnects within a second, the assigned address is different than it was before." (How frequently a dynamic IP is changed can be checked by going from time to time to http://whatismyipaddress.com/ or http://ip-lookup.net/index.php.) Assuming that the same dynamic IP for a MAC address (an identifier of a network interface card) lives 24 hours there will be (411,025 : 64 =) 6,422 unique IPs a day (probably more viewers than that).

Hits. I have serious doubts about what that figure means. Hits are defined as requests from a user (user's computer) for files stored at a server. There can be multiple hits per webpage viewed. For this reason, hits have long been mistrusted as a metric for ordinary websites. In case of a direct stream, hits can mean requests for connection. Clarifications from an IT person might be needed. (1) Are requests coming from humans and search bots differentiated in any way? Search bots normally follow all links they find in a site and in this case there are 166 referring sites. If search bots are told not to follow MMS links then... (2) Are only successful requests for connection counted or every retry (remember 'Too many retries. Give up')?

A general question. If 1,000 people watched, say, CSI or Six Feet Under for 100 days would anyone say that there were 1,000*100 = 100,000 watchers or viewers?

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Post by Liis » February 27th, 2009, 4:58 pm

unp wrote: But... whatever you say... ....
A general question. If 1,000 people watched, say, CSI or Six Feet Under for 100 days would anyone say that there were 1,000*100 = 100,000 watchers or viewers?
(1) Yes. Just so. :mrgreen:
(2) Oh yes, if needed. Would prefer Watches or views, maybe, in substandard innovative language, or for slightly above-average sophisticated marketing purposes. Given that they log on each day - not a watching marathon?
Ahaa. How many 'hits' per average non-flashy Internet page, would you say then, roughly?

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Post by Kuremari » February 27th, 2009, 5:25 pm

Dear unp and Liis!
i had no ill- intentions to mislead the honorable readers of this forum with my inexcusable mistake , which i made when mentioned about the number of watchers of pig camera.
of course we had been told about EeNet statistics, even my very simple mind should have understood the difference between clicks and watchers.
i am so very ashamed about the mistake and all the trouble you had, when trying to reveal the truth.
Seems that your discussion is very interesting and educating,
but i must learn much more to understand more than couple of familiar words.
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Post by yarko » February 27th, 2009, 5:33 pm

unp - you are absolutely right!
Clarifications from an IT person might be needed.

Questions that have been raised here are forwarded to EENET. http://www.eenet.ee/EENet/EENet_en
(Looduskalender is 'acommodated' by EENET)

We'll post answers here as soon as we get them!

Yes IT 'language' can be tricky :rolleyes:
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Post by yarko » February 27th, 2009, 6:25 pm

Just a thought that came to my mind.
As we all can see - there are no advertisments on Looduskalender's website.
Of course we (LKF) need to have an accurate understaning about statistics but it's clear that those numbers don't serve the purpose to 'seduce' possible advertisers :rolleyes:
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Post by unp » February 27th, 2009, 6:58 pm

Liis wrote: ...How many 'hits' per average non-flashy Internet page, would you say then, roughly?
I wouldn't know but those people might:
http://www.netlingo.com/word/hit.php - hits
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum10/764.htm - hits vs visits
http://www.ebtx.com/web/robots.htm - robots and crawlers
http://cutlerscove.com/mediakit/page-vi ... ssions.htm - hits etc
I don't know what hits mean with respect to a direct stream. I only assumed they were requests for connection.

Kuremari and yarko, thank you for appreciating that discussion. But it was not a toil but rather a pleasure, meaning research of words. I'd like to add also that the only reason I mentioned advertisers was that they are a group most interested in refining IT statistics.

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Post by Kuremari » February 27th, 2009, 7:34 pm

thanks unp, for kind words,
as this topic is about LK in Media, maybe the discussion should go on in Picnic Ground.
it has drifted quite far from LK and nature now.
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Post by Liis » February 27th, 2009, 11:05 pm

Kuremari wrote:thanks unp, for kind words,
as this topic is about LK in Media, maybe the discussion should go on in Picnic Ground.
it has drifted quite far from LK and nature now.
Whatever the numbers, they are still absolutely great, and well-deservedly so.
There is surely no single number that is the 'correct' one, each tells us something - what, that is interesting and useful to think about - and none is wrong.
Why we watch - different reasons too, surely. I switch on the cameras as much for the whole scene: the weather, the changing lights, dawn and sunset, all the birds and animals - as the 'star actors', and that is maybe why the eagle camera is my favourite.

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