Latvian WtE nest webcamera Juras-erglis 2016: Discussions

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Re: Latvian WtE nest webcamera Juras-erglis 2016: Discussion

Post by ame » March 29th, 2017, 11:06 am

(March 17 continued:)
10:21:36 the stranger returned and CapitalH called at him. the stranger walked around the nest, lay down for some whiles, dug in the nest materials etc.
10:40:10 CapitalH out and 5 s later the stranger out.
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(to be continued:)

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Post by ame » March 29th, 2017, 11:06 am

(March 17 continued:)
10:57:55 CapitalH in and 4 s later the stranger in. CapitalH called and in about a minute she got up to the top branch.
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the profile of the stranger. - the stranger had two diamond-shaped spots on its tail so i started to call him 2ofDiamonds. in some pictures these two spots merged into one diamond like on the ace of diamonds.
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the stranger lay down on the nest.
11:11:56 CapitalH out.
11:13:58 the stranger out.

12:19:41 a white-tailed eagle landed on the left branch.
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12:21:!5 it flew away. it didn't show the top of its tail but was probably RoundWing. the stranger had some black also on the underside of its tail.
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16:15 some eagle's calls were heard (a female's voice?) and an eagle flew by.
16:16 some male's calls were heard from the forest together with a female voice. no other eagles were seen.

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Post by ame » March 29th, 2017, 1:46 pm

March 18
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6:17:32 RoundWing in and 3 s later CapitalH in.
6:20 a mating attempt which may have been even successful.
7:05:14 RoundWing out and 3 s later CapitalH out.

10:10:56 RoundWing out. 10:20:31 RoundWing out.

10:40:12 CapitalH in. 10:47:21 CapitalH out.

11:28:10 CapitalH and a white-tailed male to branches. both called and looked up in the sky.
11:31:56 the white-tailed male flew away. it was probably RoundWing but it didn't show its tail properly.
12:39:57 RoundWing in.
12:56:53 CapitalH out and 37 s later RoundWing out.

14:38:50 both CapitalH and RoundWing in.
14:59:18 CapitalH out and 13 s later RoundWing out.

18:29:59 RoundWing in and 2 s later CapitalH in.
18:31:27 CapitalH out and 23 s later RoundWing out.

no other eagles than RoundWing and CapitalH were seen all day.

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Post by ame » March 29th, 2017, 2:18 pm

March 19
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the camera started late at 6:50. it was raining in the morning and it continued to rain most of the day. rainy weather usually makes eagles lazy.
12:17 eagles were heard singing in the forest.
14:47 eagles were heard singing in the forest.

15:24:40 RoundWing in and a second later CapitalH in.
15:30:34 RoundWing out and 3 s later CapitalH out.
after the eagles had flown away they were heard calling four times in the forest in the afternoon.

19:11:13 RoundWing came in with some food which did not look like a fish. 6 s later CapitalH came in and took the food from RoundWing. RoundWing was not willing to give it but tried to get it back, without success.
19:15:22 RoundWing out. CapitalH stayed on the nest eating her food. she was still eating when the camera stopped at 19:24.

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Post by ame » March 29th, 2017, 4:16 pm

March 20
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6:12:57 RoundWing in and 4 s later CapitalH in.
6:16 a mating attempt.
6:27:40 CapitalH out and 12 s later RoundWing out.

11:48:27 RoundWing in and 4 s later CapitalH in.
11:51:27 CapitalH out and 35 s later RoundWing out.

12:53:35 RoundWing in and 8 s later CapitalH in.
12:56:07 CapitalH out and 8 s later RoundWing out.

17:12:58 RoundWing in and 3 s later CapitalH in.
17:17:46 CapitalH out and 10 s later RoundWing out.

besides these visits eagles were observed calling several times in the forest.

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Post by ame » March 29th, 2017, 5:43 pm

March 21
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6:39:50 RoundWing in and a second later CapitalH in. a dark feather in the middle of RoundWing's tail was still in an abnormal place, pointing outward.
6:43:10 CapitalH out and 6 s later RoundWing out.

10:00:31 RoundWing in and 2 s later CapitalH in.
10:03:49 CapitalH out. 10:04:06 RoundWing out.

15:50:36 CapitalH in and 2 s later RoundWing in.
15:54 mating attempt.
16:07:01 RoundWing out. 16:16:22 CapitalH out.

18:47:52 CapitalH in and a second later RoundWing in.
18:51:50 CapitalH out. 18:53:09 RoundWing out.

18:57:31 RoundWing brought a bunch of hay. 12 s later CapitalH in.
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18:59 mating attempt.
19:00:31 RoundWing jumped to the right branch and went out of sight.
19:01:49 RoundWing flew away from the branch.
19:05:03 CapitalH out.

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Post by ame » March 31st, 2017, 3:28 pm

March 22
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6:16:14 CapitalH in and 13 s later RoundWing came bringing some hay.
6:20:21 CapitalH out and 21 s later RoundWing out.

8:49:26 CapitalH in. 9:18:21 CapitalH out.

11:12:56 RoundWing in and 22 s later CapitalH in. both called and looked up in the sky.
11:13:28 RoundWing out.
11:22:33 RoundWing in. now both eagles were relaxed and made nest work together.
11:31 mating attempt.
11:50:59 RoundWing out and 4 s later CapitalH out.

14:46:26 CapitalH in and a second later RoundWing in.
15:13 mating attempt.
15:39:50 RoundWing out and 28 s later CapitalH out.

18:35:56 RoundWing in and 3 s later CapitalH in.
18:38:31 CapitalH out and 2 s later RoundWing out.

18:43:23 RoundWing came bringing some hay. 18:44:36 RoundWing out.

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Post by ame » March 31st, 2017, 3:28 pm

March 23
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6:16:40 RoundWing in ans a second later CapitalH in.
6:18 mating attempt.
6:23:34 CapitalH out and 10 s later RoundWing out.
10:41:45 RoundWing and CapitalH in.
10:46:41 RoundWing out and 5 s later CapitalH out.

13:20:11 CapitalH in and a second later RoundWing in.
13:16:16 RoundWing out and 10 s later CapitalH out.

15:07:21 RoundWing in and 16 s later CapitalH in.
16:00:14 CapitalH out. 16:19:18 RoundWing out.

18:38:41 CapitalH in and 3 s later RoundWing in.
18:42:36 RoundWing out and 6 s later CapitalH out.

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Post by ame » March 31st, 2017, 3:28 pm

March 24
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6:08:48 CapitalH in and a second later RoundWing in.
6:12 RoundWing tried to attempt mating but 6:13:01 CapitalH practically ran = flew away from him.
6:13:14 RoundWing out.

9:51:20 Latvian eagle K055 in.
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Lat-K055 is the most frequent visitor to the nest. this visit was the 10th time that it has been seen here. this time it stayed on the nest a long time and enjoyed the sunny weather.
12:00:00 K055 flew away as it saw another eagle approaching. it was probably RoundWing.
12:00:51 RoundWing in. 12:06:22 RoundWing out.

12:53:30 CapitalH in and 2 s alter RoundWing in.
13:10:15 CapitalH out and 6 s later RoundWing out.

16:14:50 both CapitalH and RoundWing landed at the same time.
16:24:18 CapitalH out. RoundWing stayed.
18:07:06 RoundWing out.
18:09:40 CapitalH in and 3 s later RoundWing with a bunch of hay.
18:19:59 RoundWing out. 18:23:02 RoundWing out. before he left he gave a nice portrait of himself.
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Post by ame » March 31st, 2017, 3:29 pm

March 25
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6:03:23 CapitalH in and 7 s later RoundWing in bringing some hay.
6:06:12 CapitalH out and 20 s later RoundWing out.

11:38:22 CapitalH in and 7 s later RoundWing in.
11:45:42 CapitalH out. 12:15:19 RoundWing out.

16:58:26 RoundWing in and 3 s later CapitalH in.
17:05:28 CapitalH out and 11 s later RoundWing out.

17:59:00 RoundWing in bringing some hay. 17:59:43 CapitalH in.
18:01 mating attempt.
18:09:08 CapitalH out. 18:17:35 RoundWing out.

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Post by ame » March 31st, 2017, 4:40 pm

March 26
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6:08:53 CapitalH in and 4 s later RoundWing in bringing a bunch of hay.
6:10 mating attempt.
6:18:26 RoundWing out and 11 s later CapitalH out.

11:54:18 RoundWing in and CapitalH to the top branch.
11:58:02 CapitalH out and 7 s later RoundWing out.

15:58:03 CapitalH in. 15:59:11 RoundWing in.
16:02:37 RoundWing out and 7 s later CapitalH out.

17:44:38 RoundWing in and 7 s later CapitalH in.
17:49:26 RoundWing out and 4 s later CapitalH out.

17:44:38 RoundWing in bringing a big bunch of hay. 17:56:48 he flew away
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Post by Trine » March 31st, 2017, 5:08 pm

Sorry, but how is this all discussion? These are listed observations, arent´t they? Two threads for observations... why so? :puzzled:
Confusing.

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Post by ame » April 3rd, 2017, 2:43 pm

March 27
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9:39:03 CapitalH in and 10 s later RoundWing in.
9:42:51 CapitalH out. 9:52:16 RoundWing out.

13:26:23 RoundWing in Bringing a brownish fish which he began to eat.
13:29:45 CapitalH in. she wanted to take the fish from RoundWing. he didn't want to give the fish to her and left 2 s later with the fish.
14:26:42 CapitalH out.

18:45:49 RoundWing in bringing hay.
18:50:01 RoundWing out.

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Post by ame » April 3rd, 2017, 2:45 pm

March 28
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7:00:21 CapitalH in and 9 s later RoundWing in.
7:02 mating attempt.
7:14:03 CapitalH out and 7 s alter RoundWing out.

14:19:04 RoundWing in and 12 s later CapitalH in.
14:27:14 CapitalH out and 43 s later RoundWing out.

16:20:25 RoundWing in bringing a brownish fish.
16:47:12 RoundWing out after eating all the fish.

19:54:12 CapitalH and RoundWing in.
19:57:13 RoundWing out. 20:001:40 CapitalH out.

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Post by ame » April 3rd, 2017, 2:45 pm

March 29
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6:51:53 RoundWing in bringing hay and 4 s later CapitalH in.
6:54 mating which looked successful.
7:10:59 CapitalH out and 7 s later RoundWing out.

8:22:34 a young eagle without rings in.
8:26:44 the young eagle out.

11:27:59 CapitaH in and a second later RoundWing in.
11:31 mating attempt.
11:44:21 RoundWing out and 4 s later CapitalH out.

19:04:33 RoundWing in and a second later CapitalH in.
19:11:27 RoundWing out.
19:19:36 CapitalH out.
19:20:44 RoundWing in bringing hay.
19:22:58 RoundWing out.
19:24:11 CapitalH in bringing hay. this was the first time she brought any nest material to the nest (perhaps a small twig once before in very poor light and visibility).
19:51:13 CapitalH out.

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Post by ame » April 3rd, 2017, 2:45 pm

March 30
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7:01:34 RoundWing in bringing hay and 2 s later CapitalH in.
7:09:50 RoundWing out and 3 s later CapitalH out.

18:59:21 CapitalH in and 3 s later RoundWing in
19:06:23 CapitalH out and 8 s later RoundWing out.

March 31
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8:15:00 RoundWing in and 32 s later CapitalH in.
8:19:17 RoundWing out and 11 s later CapitalH out.

16:44:25 RoundWing in bringing a brownish fish.
16:44:33 CapitalH came in. she wanted to take the fish and even managed to take it. RoundWing didn't want to give it and took it back.
16:45:50 RoundWing out with the fish.
16:55:28 CapitalH out.

17:18:13 RoundWing in. 17:19:00 RoundWing out.

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Post by ame » April 3rd, 2017, 2:46 pm

then some discussion on the above summaries of daily observations and finally some conclusions.

we had high hopes of seeing a successful breeding season with Shilute and Vents till the end of January, but then Shilute went missing. we saw her on January 27 for the last time.

in the morning of January 30 Vents got new company: a Lithuanian eagle L076 joined him and was clearly interested in him. Vents was not happy to have her on the nest.
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it turned out that L076 was probably Shilute's younger sister. she was ringed 4 years later than Shilute in the same nest (2009 and 2012).

on Feb 1st Vents got a new girlfriend, a very big un-ringed female without rings. she had a very rough voice. we began to call her Lady. L076 stopped coming to the nest but we probably heard her cry in the forest for some time.


Feb 11 Vents left the nest for the last time.

Feb 12 Lady got a new un-ringed boyfriend. we began to call him Tramp.

Feb 23 Lady was seen for the last time. Tramp stayed alone.
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Feb 28 a new female Anchor (Erna) came and a little later a new male TinySpots came. Tramp tried to chase them both away and managed to do so with TinySpots. Anchor stayed and became Tramp's new girlfriend although Tramp was reluctant first.
in this clip is Anchor's (Erna's) first appearance and Tramp kicks TinySpots out.


March 3 a new male RoundWing (Raimis) arrived. he began to compete with Tramp and managed to overthrow him.
Tramp was not seen anymore. RoundWing became Anchor's (Erna's) new boyfriend.
two other strange eagles were seen on the same day: DoubleW and VeryYoung.

March 4 a new female CapitalH arrived. she managed chase Anchor (Erna) away and became RoundWing's new girlfriend.
Anchor was not seen anymore.
VeryYoung and a new strange eagle VeryLargeSpots were also seen.

March 5 a new male BigLeft arrived in the morning and tried to chase RoundWing away. the struggle was hard and it went on till afternoon. RoundWing was the winner and he stayed on the nest with CapitalH. they watched two eagles fly away at 15:37.


since March 5 RoundWing (or Raimis as he is called in DD-forum) and CapitalH have stayed together at the nest. if i have understood correct they haven't given any proper name to CapitalH yet.

the arrivals of new eagles and their struggles with the resident eagles (male vs. male and female vs. female) together with some changes in the 'inhabitants' as results of these struggles resulted in four busy days (Feb 28 and March 3, 4, and 5). random visits by other eagles added complexity in two of these days.

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Post by Trine » April 3rd, 2017, 3:32 pm

ame wrote:it turned out that L076 was probably Shilute's younger sister. she was ringed 4 years later than Shilute in the same nest (2009 and 2012).
Janis Kuze did not write about the same nest. He wrote about the same breeding territory.
I still do not get why to create another observation thread to reach these conclusions.
Will it continue so? I would perhaps understand if you wanted to make some nice rounded conclusions for each day, but cannot see a point in listing all ins and outs with a presicion of seconds. In the discussion thread.

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Post by ame » April 3rd, 2017, 4:14 pm

thank you Trine for the remark. however, the territory was probably occupied by the same pair of parents so it is possible that Shilute and L056 were sisters, maybe even full sisters. if i remember right Janis wrote also that.

i'm sorry if you find adding these posts here too confusing. i think that it would have been very confusing to add these elaborations in the middle of the daily, nearly on-line stream of observational posts.

in the busiest days events at the nest took place in such a hectic pace that we were busy simply trying to make notes of all that happened. often it was also impossible to see what actually happened without watching the videos in slow-motion or making frame-by-frame gifs. therefore it was not possible to conclude anything decisive amidst the swirl of events. reviewing the observations thoroughly takes a much longer time. therefore i think it was (and is) impossible to make any definite conclusions in the Observations thread. in my opinion they suit perfectly to this Discussions-thread. if you think these posts are too much then you may decide not to read them.

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Post by Trine » April 3rd, 2017, 7:13 pm

Yeah... Then any potential real discussion becomes - again - just an interruption to your calendar-style monologues. Don´t know if that is good...
But it is not worth of longer arguing. Particularly because there is hardly any discussion here these days.

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