Black Stork Nests in Europe

[baska]

Hello all together

The info about all the tagged storklets: .....
Mid in Belarus: .....
Priidupoeg: ......

I don't agree with you, asteria. In no report was explicitly told, that the storklets flew alone.
Of course, it was spoken only from the one, who had a transmitter, but that was because the ornithologists couldn't see the others. Or am I wrong ?

Like Solo did read, they form groups.
In fact, many fotographies prove that also the black storks prefer to fly in flocks.
We have seen that with Upene, now with Malwin, with other pictures in Israel, Hungary and even Germany.
Also pictures of migrating black storks above Istanbul and Tarifa.

BTW: Why did you say AFAIK there was not a single case when a tagged bird lost its transmitter. ?
Nobody asserted this.

[Solo]

The info about all the tagged storklets: ...

asteria, TY for the links

[asteria]

Hello all together

I don't agree with you, asteria. In no report was explicitly told, that the storklets flew alone.
Of course, it was spoken only from the one, who had a transmitter, but that was because the ornithologists couldn't see the others. Or am I wrong ?

Like Solo did read, they form groups.
In fact, many fotographies prove that also the black storks prefer to fly in flocks.
We have seen that with Upene, now with Malwin, with other pictures in Israel, Hungary and even Germany.
Also pictures of migrating black storks above Istanbul and Tarifa.

BTW: Why did you say AFAIK there was not a single case when a tagged bird lost its transmitter. ?
Nobody asserted this.

In the second article on Mid it is said that she stayed in the village alone, without other storks. Also the storklets who lose their way must fly separately, otherwise they wouldn't have chosen "wrong turn" like Priidupoeg. Perhaps sometimes they fly with others and sometimes separately. And yes, I don't know any cases when a bird have dropped a transmitter and flew away.

[baska]

In the second article on Mid it is said that she stayed in the village alone, without other storks. Also the storklets who lose their way must fly separately, otherwise they wouldn't have chosen "wrong turn" like Priidupoeg. Perhaps sometimes they fly with others and sometimes separately. And yes, I don't know any cases when a bird have dropped a transmitter and flew away.

Yes, these storklets isolated themselves some time. Like Malwin. This is the reason why he could have been killed by a wild animal.
But you cannot generally tell they fly alone ... They all started in a flock.

[asteria]

Yet before he found Malwin Török Hunor wrote that an old WTE lived in that area and that it could be a serious threat. Raivopoeg 9 years ago also became a victim of a WTE.

[Solo]

... Perhaps sometimes they fly with others and sometimes separately. ...

not perhaps, they normally fly in flock - small groups (if they are alone, anything is wrong with this bird) - " ... travel in small groups during migration, and may form groups of up to 30 individuals on its wintering grounds ..." (source: http://www.arkive.org/black-stork/ciconia-nigra/)

... I don't know any cases when a bird have dropped a transmitter and flew away.

I know: SK lesser spotted eagle - eagle female Anička arrived to her nesting area without transmitter (after 3 years) , but with ring on her leg (and she is not the only one)

and "Work is underway to identify the causes, but they are most likely natural. Probably tired and weakened by the journey, the bird, who had been sleeping on the ground in a wooded desert, had been surprised by a predator in the night."
We know nothing more - how and why Malwin passed away (if he was allone, if he was ill, weakened, killed, or ...)

[Liz01]

It breaks my heart, what happened to Malwin.
He was sick and weak when I saw him the last time at the nest. He probably did not find enough food?

[Solo]

September 24th

Good morning to all together

... He was sick and weak when I saw him the last time at the nest. He probably did not find enough food?

Liz, it's good to see you back in this topics .

Malwin: on FB page BocianiMy "Green was in good shape, twice we managed to observe him in the field and photographed from afar." But it is egal - little one passed away (we so muche storks in first year )

[baska]

Hello all together

Malwin: on FB page BocianiMy "Green was in good shape, twice we managed to observe him in the field and photographed from afar."

Solo, that was 15 days before they found him dead. You said yourself that the flight with the expierienced, adult storks might have been too exhausting for him.
In the meantime he lost his energy. He isolated himself or was left alone.

[Solo]

Malwin: on FB page BocianiMy "Green was in good shape, twice we managed to observe him in the field and photographed from afar."

Solo, that was 15 days before they found him dead. You said yourself that the flight with the expierienced, adult storks might have been too exhausting for him. In the meantime he lost his energy. He isolated himself or was left alone.

baska, maybe yes,maybe not - "Over 10 days he has overcome over 780 km." (Eedi this year is maybe one record holder: 23.9.2017 - 376km, 22.09.2017 - 498km! ) We must wait to clarification

[Jujani]

Makov

One of the Black Stork can still fly well. I thought both can fly only a little.

[asteria]

Yes, Tonichka flies well.

[Solo]

RS Makov One of the Black Stork can still fly well. I thought both can fly only a little. http://up.picr.de/30452152xy.jpg

yes, a little - but the are'nt able to live in wilderness (with ring - male Toník, without ring - female Tonička)

videos (not only) RS Makov
Jirka: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdUnqH ... FQw/videos
Jiřina: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYDhWC ... _8A/videos
and also by another observers
Veronika: the daily life photos - makováček - http://makovacek.rajce.idnes.cz/
FB RS Makov: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Z%C3%A1c ... 0685223258
FB friends of RS Makov: https://www.facebook.com/groups/109800766152113/

[asteria]

Malwin: on FB page BocianiMy "Green was in good shape, twice we managed to observe him in the field and photographed from afar." But it is egal - little one passed away (we so muche storks in first year )

On this picture Malwin didn't look healthy:

https://www.facebook.com/BocianiMy/phot ... =3&theater

[Solo]

... On this picture Malwin didn't look healthy: https://www.facebook.com/BocianiMy/phot ... =3&theater

asteria, which signs point to the bad condition of Malwin?

[asteria]

He is standing in the pose of a sick pigeon. I met such a pigeon just a few hours ago. Malwin there was either very tired or ill.

[Solo]

He is standing in the pose of a sick pigeon. I met such a pigeon just a few hours ago. Malwin there was either very tired or ill.

"which signs point to the bad condition of Malwin?"

on FB page BocianiMy "Green was in good shape, twice we managed to observe him in the field and photographed from afar." For you it is'nt autoptic preference? please read the text - translation again and very carefully https://goo.gl/xyWfsb
(at that time Malwin was O.K. - it is'nt the pose of sick BS)

[asteria]

Anyway, from this picture it is seen that Malwin is tired, besides he was coughing before he started migration. Just compare his pic with Neli's in 2011

[baska]

Anyway, from this picture it is seen that Malwin is tired, besides he was coughing before he started migration. Just compare his pic with Neli's in 2011

WHICH picture ??? Where is a picture, where you can see that Malwin is tired ???
And also anyway: why does it get repeted again and again that Malwin hasn't been healthy ? We determined that already september 1st ....

[Solo]

September 25th
Good morning to all

Anyway, from this picture it is seen that Malwin is tired, besides he was coughing before he started migration. Just compare his pic with Neli's in 2011

WHICH picture ??? Where is a picture, where you can see that Malwin is tired ???
And also anyway: why does it get repeted again and again that Malwin hasn't been healthy ? We determined that already september 1st ....

baska,
I wrote (viewtopic.php?p=551980#p551980): "at that time Malwin was O.K." (info and photo Sept. 6 by FB BocianiMy https://www.facebook.com/BocianiMy/phot ... =3&theater)
and also "We must wait to clarification" (viewtopic.php?p=551938#p551938) - they wrote on FB: "Work is underway to identify the causes"