Estonian Osprey Nest (Irma & Ivo) 2018

[Hellem]

6:36 Heli landed, 6:47 flew to the dead tree

6:57 Ivo brought a bunch of wet hay, Heli and Jaak weren't satisfied
7:04 Jaak left
7:06 Another bunch of wet hay by Ivo , 7:07 Heli left, 7:10 is back
7:18 Jaak flew to the dead tree, 7:20 Heli off and back, 7:22 off again

7:51 Irma landed, is calling for the fish, Ivo landed on the dead tree and is eating fish
Until 8:20 Irma jumped several times on the nest and back to the cam stand calling for the fish
8:20 Ivo flew away from the dead tree, no fish for Irma, Irma left
8:22 An osprey landed on the dead tree

8:30 Kaja landed, 8:33 she flew to the dead tree, now 2 ospreys are there
8:43 Kaja is on the dead tree, the second osprey flew away, 8:58 Kaja flew off

[Hellem]

9:19 An osprey landed on the dead tree, 9:49 flew off

10:24 Kaja landed, Ivo followed and brought a HUGE still alive fish
10:25 Kaja is protecting her fish, a strange adult osprey is flying around and over the nest, for a moment landed on the dead tree
10:37 The stranger is still flying around, Kaja is protecting
10:41 Kaja began eat her fish
10:48 - 10:50 Kaja is again protecting her nest and fish
10:51 Is eating again

[Jenny]

August 21, 2018 - 10.30 AM

Ivo just brought Kaja a big fish und now Kaja sits there and is holding this large whopper. She didn't start eating just holding he throphy and looks around.

[mogga]

Bea, please do not waste your time trying to find what I explained in my post. I hesitated long to write about it or not, since I don't remember exactly who it was but it would still explain how it might have happened. Anyway if the video were made, it would not solve the situation with Jaak's ring. Thank you very much for your work as moderator.

I will look for that situation. If it was the critical moment with Jaak's ring accident it must have been the 18th of August between 6:18 (last sighting with ring in the correct position) and 19:05 (first sighting with ring skidded down).

[Hellem]

11:01 Jaak landed, Kaja is eating
11:04 Kaja flew away with her fish, Jaak left
11:05 Kaja landed on the dead tree but it seems that without fish, she has lost it
11:06 Jaak landed on the pine tree on the right

[andi7]

In this sad situation with Jaak's trapped toes now I must ask, if the above post from Summi was not read or noticed ??

It seems to me a comprehensible explanation for the emergence of this dilemma.
Would it be possible to create a retrospective video here as well or to find this situation in the archive at all ? Sure, it will not solve the problem, but it could provide insight for the experts who put the rings on or decide which rings to use.

The episode when Jaak got his talon entangled in a branch on the nest was one or two weeks ago. But he freed himself in an instant and the ring stayed in place. There is a notice in the thread by me and I think member Sunshine or someone else posted pictures of this event, maybe member mogga made a video. I don't know the exact time and day, so someone has to search in the posts of the last two or three weeks.

There are 12 to 16 hours of video a day. Two watch all these videos is impossible. Nobody in this forum is a paid ornithologist.

[Sunshine]

Urmas, thank you very much for your explanation and opinion!

[Sunshine]

I will look for that situation. If it was the critical moment with Jaak's ring accident it must have been the 18th of August between 6:18 (last sighting with ring in the correct position) and 19:05 (first sighting with ring skidded down).

mogga, if this is only about this one day, I can also take a quick look at the four videos on pontu, my internet connection is fast

Edited: oh, I see that Bea already did that, thanks a lot!

[Hellem]

11:16 Jaak flew from the pine tree on the right and landed on the nest, Kaja is on the dead tree
11:18 Jaak laid down on the nest

[Summi]

I did not say that it was Jaak who got entangled maybe it was one of the other two but I only wanted to point out that it is one possibility how it may happen.

[Bea]

Bea, please do not waste your time trying to find what I explained in my post. I hesitated long to write about it or not, since I don't remember exactly who it was but it would still explain how it might have happened. Anyway if the video were made, it would not solve the situation with Jaak's ring. Thank you very much for your work as moderator.

Good morning Summi and all ospreyholics

No, sure, nothing we can do helps Jaak in his unhappy situation. But it was absolutely right to write about the event you remembered, sometimes things happen and one still does not know that it will have consequences.
Or imagine it was in deed on that special day and no one else saw it, hardly anyone here can watch the cams 24/7.

And I think we all want to go to the bottom of things with for us available sources .... and that´s the archives

I checked the videos from 18. August to see whether this event was on that day.

In the morning at 06:15 Ivo delivered a fish to the nest and Jaak got it .... and his ring was still on the proper place, he left with the fish.
Sunshine reported it https://www.looduskalender.ee/forum/vie ... 03#p611603




And then I checked recordings from the whole day whether the event Summi wrote about or anything else could give a hint what had happened to Jaak.
But he was not back on the nest the whole day long, until 19:05 - when he returned and his ring was already slid down.
Again report from Sunshine https://www.looduskalender.ee/forum/vie ... 89#p611689




So all we can say is that no stick or anything else on the nest was the cause for his misfortune.
What pity, isn´t it? Maybe bad things can be accepted better when one knows the reason for it, but so all is still kept in the dark.

[Owlie]

I remember that some years ago one of the three Latvian osprets lost his/her ring, not in front of the camera though. It was same kind of ring as Jaak's one (but red).

[Bea]

Yes, same situation came also to my mind immediately, but it also remained a mystery how it could happen ...

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Jepp, I found it .... it was in 2013 (ESTLAT project), when one of the three Latvian ringed juveniles (ring nr. 398) suddenly returned to the nest without its plastic ring.

https://www.looduskalender.ee/forum/vie ... 50#p267750

This makes me confident that Jaak will manage to get rid of his skidded down ring by his own

[mogga]

mogga, if this is only about this one day, I can also take a quick look at the four videos on pontu, my internet connection is fast

A q u i c k l o o k at 13 hours of video material? How do you manage this?

[mogga]

And then I checked recordings from the whole day whether the event Summi wrote about or anything else could give a hint what had happened to Jaak.
But he was not back on the nest the whole day long, until 19:05 - when he returned and his ring was already slid down.

Thanks, Bea.

A short technical question. Do you watch it in 30 sec. steps or in fast forward mode (with pot player or another software)?

[Sunshine]

5:38 Heli on the nest, 5:40 flew off to the dead tree

05:38

5:44 Jaak on the nest, ring still there, 5:45 he leaves, 5:46 back

05:47


05:48
Heli and Jaak

[Sunshine]

6:57 Ivo brought a bunch of wet hay, Heli and Jaak weren't satisfied

7:06 Another bunch of wet hay by Ivo

Such a disappointment for Heli and Jaak

06:57


.. and again


07:06

[Sunshine]

07:51
Beautiful Irma still here!

[Sunshine]

A q u i c k l o o k at 13 hours of video material? How do you manage this?

Very easy, mogga - VLC and 'fast forward" If someone lands on the nest, one can again slow the motion.

[Hellem]

12:03 Ivo brought a BIG still alive fish for Jaak
12:05 Jaak flew away with his fish

12:07 Kaja flew away from the dead tree and landed on the nest at 12:08
12:10 She flew back to the dead tree

12:10 Jaak landed with his big fish, he holds it with his right leg claws
12:12 He flew again away with his fish