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Re: Following Karl's Family

Post by Anna_ » November 1st, 2018, 9:18 am

Thank you Treia, Abigyl, Solo! I couldn’t agree more. I think it‘s totally inappropriate to claim a bird‘s death as long as there is no proof. Many thanks again for all your hard work and great reports! :wave:

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Post by Liz01 » November 1st, 2018, 9:55 am

There are new data by KARULA

Distance 4755 km ( + 6 km)
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He/She is still in the same area
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over the fish pond :laugh:
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Post by Made » November 1st, 2018, 10:02 am

Michi wrote:
October 31st, 2018, 10:27 pm
About the stork BS 15012 from Lithuania I'm not sure if I have understand correctly. Did he die in that watering basin? :unsure:
Hello Michi! :hi:
Such "flower" we can see in places of dead BS, if transmitter continues to sent signals, which usually are not exactly of one point.. :cry:
I tried to find something about both storks final flights in .lt sites then in 2015, but unsuccesfully..

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here we can take a look of water basin (move arround)
https://www.google.com/maps/contrib/108 ... !1e1?hl=lv

and here - read about Yatir forest http://www.kkl-jnf.org/tourism-and-recr ... orest.aspx

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Post by Liz01 » November 1st, 2018, 11:35 am

New data by MARU :loveshower:
She / He has flown in the right direction :bow:

Distance 6444 km ( + 101km )
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I'm waiting for Michi for beautiful pictures :laugh: I was so happy to see, that he/she is on the "right" side now :innocent:

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Post by pazi » November 1st, 2018, 11:36 am

Rita wrote:
October 31st, 2018, 6:43 pm
I am just taking in account all known facts and draw a logical conclusion.
Actually a much more logical conclusion would be that Päike's transmitter broke, since the track stopped so suddenly.
Even a dead bird would still transmit, when floating near enough to a base station or e.g. a cruise ship that provides its own cell network for passengers.

We'll only know for sure once the rings are spotted or the transmitter comes back to life. No use speculating endlessly either way.

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Post by Anne7 » November 1st, 2018, 11:40 am

Hello, everyone! :wave:
Thanks for all info and comments!
Liz01 wrote:
November 1st, 2018, 11:35 am
New data by MARU :loveshower:
She / He has flown in the right direction :
Hi, Liz :hi:
Wow, this is good news! Wonderful! :headroll:

Many thanks, also for your update on Karula!

Liz, you wrote, some time ago on this topic, that BS don't eat saltwater fish (only freshwater fish).
As I worried about Maru's location, I wanted to know it for sure.
(There is probably a lot of fish in this area, along the coast, but only saltwater fish...)

On the website from Kotkaklubi I found this information: :puzzled:
Feeding habits
The main food of the black stork includes all kinds of fish and amphibians that it prefers to catch from small forest rivers and ditches. On rarer occasions, the black stork can be seen feeding from lakes, fish ponds, shallow seawater, and meadows. ...

http://www.kotkas.ee/species/black-stork

I also found this pdf. It gives us some reassuring info.
"Prey selection of the Black stork in the African wintering area"
"... Energy assimilation of black storks is almost twofold higher than the estimated daily energy expenditure. This study suggests that the quantity of food would satisfy the energy requirements of the species during the winter in Africa, enable them to store reserves and ensure their survival in the African areas. ..."

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... ering_area
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Post by baska » November 1st, 2018, 11:46 am

Good morning all together :hi:

Hooray! MARU has crossed the Suez Gulf !!! :loveshower:

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She is filled with surprises ! :D
greetings from Baska

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Post by pazi » November 1st, 2018, 11:49 am

Liz01 wrote:
November 1st, 2018, 11:35 am
New data by MARU :loveshower:
She / He has flown in the right direction :bow:
:loveshower: :thumbs:

We need a "like" system for the posts here... :mrgreen:

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Post by Jo UK » November 1st, 2018, 12:07 pm

While it is always desirable to give all the information we can find, which is relevant to our topic, I must ask that pictures showing birds which have died or come to grief in any way can be very disturbing to our members. Please do not post the picture, but do post a link to it, with a warning that it may be unpleasant to view.

So relieved that Maru found the right way :loveshower:

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Post by Jo UK » November 1st, 2018, 12:21 pm

Thanks again, to Urmas. Here is Paike's last data.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1dSkn8 ... sp=sharing

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Post by Liz01 » November 1st, 2018, 12:28 pm

Anne7 wrote:
November 1st, 2018, 11:40 am
.......
Liz, you wrote, some time ago on this topic, that BS don't eat saltwater fish (only freshwater fish).
As I worried about Maru's location, I wanted to know it for sure.
(There is probably a lot of fish in this area, along the coast, but only saltwater fish...)
..............
Anne :hi:
young black storks, half-starved was brought to the zoo of riga. There was an appeal to bring freshwater fish because the zoo has only saltwater fish.
Maris Stradzs started this call.
I will search for the page .. it will take a while

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Post by Anne7 » November 1st, 2018, 12:41 pm

Liz01 wrote:
November 1st, 2018, 12:28 pm
Anne :hi:
young black storks, half-starved was brought to the zoo of riga. There was an appeal to bring freshwater fish because the zoo has only saltwater fish.
Maris Stradzs started this call.
I will search for the page .. it will take a while
Thanks, Liz!
Perhaps this is something that still needs to be investigated... :puzzled:
There is conflicting information.
As Solo has already emphasized: there is still much to be researched about BS
Jo UK wrote:
November 1st, 2018, 12:21 pm
Thanks again, to Urmas. Here is Paike's last data.
Many thanks, Jo and Urmas!
These data are very interesting. :2thumbsup:
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Post by Michi » November 1st, 2018, 12:45 pm

Liz01 wrote:
November 1st, 2018, 11:35 am
New data by MARU :loveshower
She / He has flown in the right direction :bow

Distance 6444 km ( + 101km )
....
I'm waiting for Michi for beautiful pictures. laugh: I was so happy to see, that he/she is on the "right" side now :innocent
Hello all, :wave:
I can't believe it! Inconceivably! :loveshower: :loveshower:
This stork is really full of surprises. After yesterdays route I never expected that .
I'm sooo relieved. :bow: What a joy and happiness!

Have a nice day all! I will do pictures in the evening, as I'm on work now. :wave:

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Post by Treia » November 1st, 2018, 12:47 pm

Jo UK wrote:
November 1st, 2018, 12:21 pm
Thanks again, to Urmas. Here is Paike's last data.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1dSkn8 ... sp=sharing
Thank you very much Jo UK and Urmas !!! :D

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by Liz01 » November 1st, 2018, 12:35 pm
New data by MARU
She / He has flown in the right direction
Distance 6444 km ( + 101km )
Thanks for this very happy news of Maru, that she has successfully crossed the Suez Gulf ! :loveshower:

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Post by asteria » November 1st, 2018, 12:57 pm

Anna_ wrote:
November 1st, 2018, 9:18 am
I think it‘s totally inappropriate to claim a bird‘s death as long as there is no proof. Many thanks again for all your hard work and great reports! :wave:
Yes, I agree with you. The only thing that can be claimed for sure that the transmitter does not work. If the bird is dead, its transmitter continues send signals.

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Post by Liz01 » November 1st, 2018, 1:13 pm

Anne7 wrote:
November 1st, 2018, 12:41 pm
Thanks, Liz!
Perhaps this is something that still needs to be investigated... :puzzled:
There is conflicting information.
As Solo has already emphasized: there is still much to be researched about BS
.........
Anne,
I recently saw a report on television about the North Sea and the Wadden Sea. A white stork could be seen on the Wattemeer., That was very unusual.
There is a report, that the white storks on the island of Föhr are eating
crabs and mussels in winter. That's also unusual.,
It is believed that this knowledge is passed on from the adult storks to the juvenile storks.

the article is unfortunately in German
https://www.zeit.de/2014/39/weissstorch-foehr-nordsee

If there are exceptions, it can be that it is synonymous with black storks?

We have to continue our research :laugh:

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Post by sova » November 1st, 2018, 1:14 pm

Nice day for everyone :hi:

Jo .... thanks for all the data, mail's .... Thank you Hr. Urmas.

Have now looked at last two points on Päikes card.
She gets faster and higher ... Sure, she may have caught a good wind.
Can not imagine the tired, exhausted bird that can. (but I do not know much about flight yet). And if the Päike had landed in the water, the transmitter would certainly not immediately wet, right? Then the altitude would be safe at 0. And we would have no speed, right?
I think we are worried and the bird has some fun somewhere. :whistling:

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Post by sova » November 1st, 2018, 1:54 pm

Maru (01.11.) - Egypt (Overflight Suez)
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Weather data - 08:00
temp; 26 °
Precipitation; 0 mm
Humidity; 40%

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Post by sova » November 1st, 2018, 1:55 pm

Maru (01.11.) - Egypt (Overflight Suez)
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Wind; 100 m - NW (21/17 km / h)
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Wind; 250 m - NW (25/18 km / h)
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Wind; 500 m - NE (23/27 km / h)
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Post by sova » November 1st, 2018, 1:55 pm

Maru (01.11.) - Egypt (Hurghada)
Wind data (11:00)
Wind; 100 m - NE (15 km / h)
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Wind; 250 m - NE (14 km / h)
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Wind; 500 m - NE (23 km / h)
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