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Re: Following Karl's Family

Post by Abigyl » March 1st, 2019, 11:57 am

:hi:

Since yesterday, some raised the question: "Why did he leave Maru lying on the field? "

We have to remember that he had the transmitter on his back. In some regions it might look suspicious to people who know nothing about this "thing". It might even scare them...

Another reason, if it looked sick, why should someone touch it? One has to protect himself etc.

And above all, for us it's MARU but for him it's just another bird. :slap:

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Post by Treia » March 1st, 2019, 12:02 pm

Sad, so very sad … :cry:
but I want to remember Maru as she was, cheerful looking beautiful bird, who bravely left her nest only at the age of 78 days ...

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Maru

Thank you, Dr. Gebril and all the others who participated in the search for our Maru!

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Post by Bärbelbär » March 1st, 2019, 12:19 pm

It would be nice if there was a vaccine to prevent tuberculosis. Then the cubs could be vaccinated when ringing.
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Post by baska » March 1st, 2019, 5:22 pm

OMG ! It is heartbraking ! :cry:

I feel so sad that our beloved MARU had to die due to a godawful bullet ! :cry: :cry: :cry:

Fly free, little Maru ! ... at least now
greetings from Baska

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Post by Rita » March 1st, 2019, 6:38 pm

baska: Maru was deadly sick. I believe the bullet was an act of mercy.

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Post by Anne7 » March 1st, 2019, 7:21 pm

Abigyl wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 11:57 am
... We have to remember that he had the transmitter on his back. In some regions, it might look suspicious to people who know nothing about this "thing". It might even scare them...
Another reason, if it looked sick, why should someone touch it? One has to protect himself etc.
And above all, for us it's MARU but for him it's just another bird. :slap:
:nod:


Baska and Treia, I know how distressed you are about Maru. :bow:
Treia, thanks for the photo.
Hello, Bärbelbär and Rita


Here is Karula's afternoon tracker map, with some delay:
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Karula_March01_afternoon
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1sSiv_ ... sp=sharing

He is still in the same area.

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Post by Anne7 » March 1st, 2019, 9:24 pm

And here is Karula's tracker map of the entire day.

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Karula_March01_CompleteDay
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1aygJB ... sp=sharing

He made a little flying excursion to the east and returned. Maybe he needed to stretch his wings?

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Post by Michi » March 1st, 2019, 10:57 pm

Good evening together,

I want to thank you all for the reports and informations. Also for our Karulas tracker maps. I really hope, he/she is fine.
Many thanks, Treia, for the picture with our little Maru. Although it's painful, it is so good to see her.

It makes me deeply sad to think about the fact, that for sure many other birds in this Egyptian region have also the AVIAN TB. This is a catastrophe.
If those wastewaster pools are a collection basin for TB-viruses, it is an environment-catastrophe. The pools must be sanitised immediately.
Even though southern countries are in many ways different from e.g. European ones, I believe that the Egyptian authorities can remedy such catastrophic conditions. They must.

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Post by Michi » March 1st, 2019, 11:31 pm

Our Karula is hopefully in a real (earthly) paradise.

Both views to south.
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Post by Anne7 » March 2nd, 2019, 12:28 am

Thank you for the Google Earth views, Michi.

Good night, everyone.


EDIT March 2nd: :D
TODAY'S SUMMARY MARCH 01

KARL (Karl is probably in South Sudan)
No new data (Last data: 15.11.2018)

MARU (Maru stayed near the Nile in Egypt since 01.11.2018 = 117 days)
Maru perished on February 25th at about 13:00, near the Al Ballanah wastewater ponds.
(Last flight data: 25.02.2019)

PÄIKE
No new data (Last data: 07.10.2018)

KARULA
No new data (Last data: 27.02.2019)
Same area, Nir David in the Beit She'an Valley in Israel
Weather report 01.03 at 10:00
Temp: 15°; at 15:00 15°
Precipitation: 0 mm
Humidity: 40%
Air pressure: 1016 hPa
Wind 100 m - W (27 km/h); at 15:00 W (29 km/h)
Wind 250 m - W (28 km/h); at 15:00 W (30 km/h)
Wind 500 m - W (30 km/h); at 15:00 W (30 km/h)
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Post by sova » March 2nd, 2019, 6:59 am

02. March

Good morning to all :hi:

Anne, I did a complete weather report for Karula yesterday, now I see half of it is missing !? :puzzled:
I also had that yesterday in the late afternoon at my last post at Hungarian Eagle. At first I thought, really, that I have become forgetful.
So ... or my PC has a problem or the forum * swallows * not everything I write. I'm doing the report now completely ...


Edit;
So .... report is complete

To see here .... I uploaded all my weather pictures yesterday evening. My brain is still working :mrgreen:
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Post by Anne7 » March 2nd, 2019, 10:40 am

sova wrote:
March 2nd, 2019, 6:59 am
Anne, I did a complete weather report for Karula yesterday, now I see half of it is missing !? :puzzled:
I also had that yesterday in the late afternoon at my last post at Hungarian Eagle. At first I thought, really, that I have become forgetful.
Sova :wave:
Oh, and I thought something happened that stopped you in the middle of the job. I waited patiently. :laugh:
Once, I had the same problem. I think I forgot to click on the "submit" button. :rotf:
Please don't worry, Sova. I'll do the summary now. Thanks.

This morning, Karula flew to the fish ponds of Khavat Eden
TRACKER MAP
Karula_March02_morning
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Post by sova » March 2nd, 2019, 10:52 am

Anne .... I am sorry that you have been waiting.
No, I did not forget * Button * to print. Everything was there. I have seen everything.
In Hungarian eagles, where I did not see my last post, I searched in the other topics. I thought for a moment that I am crazy. :D

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Post by Liz01 » March 2nd, 2019, 10:56 am

Good Morning all :hi:

A great thank you to Dr.Gebril. :2thumbsup: It was a very fast work by all of you. :bow: I'm glad to know why our Maru had to die. The reason is terrible! I am relieved that Maru was redeemed from her suffering.
A help would not have been possible. avian tuberculosis is not curable.

Please do not follow the link if you do not want to see our dead maru. It's the FB site of Amr-Hady.
https://www.facebook.com/Amr-Hady-Wildl ... oup_dialog

EDIT: Tuberculosis (mycobacteriosis) occurs regularly in wild birds. It can be transmitted orally by infected prey animals, for example. A weakened immune system can promote this infectious disease. This disease usually manifests itself as a creeping process and ends later fatal.
Tuberkulose in wild birds:
Ihttp://www.greifvogelhilfe.de/krankheiten/tuberkulose/

I do not think the bacterium is in the water. :puzzled: I think Maru ate something that contained this bacterium.

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Post by Anne7 » March 2nd, 2019, 11:08 am

sova wrote:
March 2nd, 2019, 10:52 am
... I thought for a moment that I am crazy. ... :D
As soon as I suspect something goes wrong in your head, I will let you know, Sova (via PM, of course) :mrgreen:
So far, everything seems OK. No worries. :laugh:
Liz01 wrote:
March 2nd, 2019, 10:56 am
Thank you, Liz

"...The main source of infection is infected (wild) birds as they shed large amounts of organism into the environment. The bacilli are exuded from ulcerated lesions of the intestine and are voided in droppings. ..."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3135220/

Tuberculosis Transmission by Waste Waters: A Review
https://www.jstor.org/stable/25033338?s ... b_contents
"The conclusions that appear to be justified are:
(1) wastes from institutions for the tuberculous almost always contain large numbers of tubercle bacilli, and although present methods of disinfection of sputum and other discharges will reduce the numbers of tubercle bacilli, they will not eliminate them,
(2) dairies, slaughterhouses and other industries handling tuberculous animals "may be expected to discharge tubercle bacilli with their wastes",
(3) tubercle bacilli may survive in soil for long periods and conventional methods of sewage treatment will not destroy them although their numbers are reduced. To destroy all tubercle bacilli in sewage a combination of complete treatment plus efficient chlorination of the effluent is required."
https://www.cabdirect.org/cabdirect/abs ... 9572703182
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Post by Hellem » March 2nd, 2019, 11:28 am

:hi:

02.03 (morning) , new update on the birdmap (spring migration)

Karula - 156 km (since 15.02), near Nir David in Israel

Liz :wave: , thank you

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Post by Anne7 » March 2nd, 2019, 11:37 am

Hellem wrote:
March 2nd, 2019, 11:28 am
02.03 (morning) , new update on the birdmap (spring migration)
Karula - 156 km (since 15.02), near Nir David in Israel
Thank you, Hellem :wave:

Hellem, (since 15.02) ? :puzzled: 25.01?

I do not understand.
Karula: Last data: 27.02.2019 (I believe)

EDIT: Sorry, Hellem, now I understand: the slider bar on birdmap starts indeed on 15.02.
Sorry. :blush:
You are absolutely right! 156 km since 15.02 is correct. :thumbs:

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Our little Karula's latest location, this morning:
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At the fish pools of Khavat Eden
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Post by Liz01 » March 2nd, 2019, 11:48 am

Anne7 wrote:
March 2nd, 2019, 11:08 am
............
Thank you, Liz

"...The main source of infection is infected (wild) birds as they shed large amounts of organism into the environment. The bacilli are exuded from ulcerated lesions of the intestine and are voided in droppings. ..."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3135220/

Tuberculosis Transmission by Waste Waters: A Review
https://www.jstor.org/stable/25033338?s ... b_contents

Thank you Anne :2thumbsup:

Our Eedi is on bird map :headroll:

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Post by Liz01 » March 2nd, 2019, 11:49 am

Anne7 wrote:
March 2nd, 2019, 11:37 am
Thank you, Hellem :wave:

Hellem, (since 15.02) ? :puzzled: 25.01?

..............
2.03. :laugh:

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Post by Anne7 » March 2nd, 2019, 11:53 am

Liz01 wrote:
March 2nd, 2019, 11:48 am
Our Eedi is on bird map :headroll:
Finally! :thumbs: :headroll:

Now I'm waiting impatiently for our Karl to reappear.

EDIT: I have watched our Maru's picture on the FB site of Amr Hady. (in his mobile uploads)
It is of course very sad to see, but the picture isn't gruesome, thank heavens.
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