Black Stork Nest in Karula 2019

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Re: Black Stork Nest in Karula 2019

Post by pazi » May 17th, 2019, 1:11 pm

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May 17th, 2019, 11:33 am
one of the youngsters i've named Rambo (= K1) because in the beginning he had already struggled with K2 a lot. hope they keep friendly to each other...
Is K1, K2... the correct way to address the storklets? Yesterday I used K2 as a shorthand for Karl II, as he ate back the rest of the food, but hopefully it was clear from the context who I meant.

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Post by Anne7 » May 17th, 2019, 1:29 pm

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one of the youngsters i've named Rambo (= K1) because in the beginning he had already struggled with K2 a lot. hope they keep friendly to each other...
visit :hi:

There is no mutual aggression among storklets. They do not attack each other.
Of course, every chick tries to eat as much as possible, as quickly as possible, so there is food competition.
Sometimes they pull the same fish until the strongest (or luckiest) can take it.
But they don't hit each other, in contrast to birds of prey.

So the largest and fastest chick(s) is (are) usually in a privileged position.
Very exceptionally, these 3 chicks hatched on the same day, and all 3 look healthy and lively. :2thumbsup:
I think it will soon be difficult to distinguish them.


Did someone hear the 4th egg, recently? :puzzled:
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Post by visit » May 17th, 2019, 1:41 pm

Hello pazi,

ah ok, then that was a misunderstanding - i thought, you had named them k1 and k2 ;)
not really so important for me, because the identification is at the moment not as easy as perhaps later - and perhaps everybody is able to recognize "a Rambo" in another one of them :)

here are some videos in case somebody can not sleep in the night and want to watch storks g
the video with eating so many nest material as i thought, i didn't found - or more probably, i really had not watched correctly at the first time.
there is a lot of eating, vomit, eating again (the same g), etc.
and faszinating what big portions the little portions are able to eat :)

https://streamable.com/3iye5

https://streamable.com/hn5kl - are that all lampreys ? or leechs, too ?

https://streamable.com/1z8e9 - end may be more interessting

https://streamable.com/3iok0

https://streamable.com/vkanj

https://streamable.com/ns5fq

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Post by visit » May 17th, 2019, 1:45 pm

Hello Anne :wave:
There is no mutual aggression among storklets. They do not attack each other.
may be on one of the first videos, at the beginning they struggeled a little, but no serious problem :)
but i thought of the possibility to kick one out of the nest sometimes. but hope, we won't see that.

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Post by Anne7 » May 17th, 2019, 2:05 pm

visit wrote:
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Hello Anne :wave:
may be on one of the first videos, at the beginning they struggeled a little, but no serious problem :)
but i thought of the possibility to kick one out of the nest sometimes. but hope, we won't see that.
BS chicks do not kick another chick out of the nest, but a parent may indeed decide that it is necessary to do so.
Yes, we have seen it twice that Kati threw out a chick.

Therefore, I really hope that egg number 4 will hatch today. Or not hatch at all. :slap:

- In 2016 there were 4 eggs. 3 hatched. One of the 3 chicks had serious growth retardation and did not develop normally. That chick clearly had a health problem and has been eliminated by Kati. The other 2 were well-nourished and fledged successfully.

- In 2017 there were 4 chicks. Although the youngest looked healthy, it was eliminated by Kati.
The reason why bird infanticide occurs on a nest is well described here:
viewtopic.php?p=516905#p516905
The remaining 3 storklets were well-nourished and fledged successfully.

- In 2018 there were 4 eggs, but only 3 hatched. All 3 storklets were healthy and well-fed. All 3 fledged successfully.

Possibly, 3 chicks are the maximum that can be successfully raised in this specific territory.
But the food conditions are different every year, I suppose.
So I also hope that there will not occur such a drama this year.

Many thanks for your videos, visit :2thumbsup:
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Post by Summi » May 17th, 2019, 2:12 pm

Anne7 wrote:
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Therefore, I really hope that egg number 4 will hatch today. Or not hatch at all.
It may have happened that this egg remained uncovered throughout the whole cold night. :nod:

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Post by Anne7 » May 17th, 2019, 2:14 pm

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It may have happened that this egg remained uncovered throughout the whole cold night. :nod:
Yes, that's right, Summi. :nod: It is possible.
I try to hear if egg number 4 is talking.
Did someone hear it today?

It could be that I heard the egg at 13:58, but I'm not sure.

13:58:31 Karl II is preening his chicks. :thumbs:
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13:58:42 Still preening the little ones
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13:58:49 He turns the egg. Are these cracks or is it moss? :puzzled:
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Post by Liz01 » May 17th, 2019, 4:08 pm

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12:33:03 When Karl II took back the food, I saw this. Is it a reptile or an amphibian? :help: ..
It was a salamander/ amphibian. No idea what the correct word is in English :puzzled:
Something like that - picture deleted.. is not a salamander .

EDIT- long legs and long tail.. what can it be :puzzled: pictures soon
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head is on the right -tail on the left. Leg is long and the tail is very long. Could it be a lizard?
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Post by Liz01 » May 17th, 2019, 4:08 pm

16:07 Kati comes home. Egg talking. I hear it since early morning.
I had the impression that he did not want to leave his chicks :innocent:
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he dives to the left :laugh:
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Post by Liz01 » May 17th, 2019, 4:39 pm

16:37 Kati is feeding the little ones :innocent:
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16:13 Feeding is over. Kati covers the storklets.

If an egg has been lying in the cold for a long time, it takes a long time for the chick to hatch.It costs the chick much strength. By lying without covering,some things has changed in the egg. The climate, the humidity and so on ..
Due to the long process, a chick can be greatly weakened.

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Post by Liz01 » May 17th, 2019, 5:23 pm

17:16 preening
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17:21 she stands up and is preening herself. There is loud egg talk
Storklets are sleeping.

17:24 still egg talk

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Post by Liz01 » May 17th, 2019, 5:30 pm

She often gets up. I think there is a hole :unsure:
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Post by Liz01 » May 17th, 2019, 5:32 pm

17:30 she stands up again ... She is not relaxed at all.
17:34 up again ... poor Kati :laugh:

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Post by Anne7 » May 17th, 2019, 5:33 pm

Some pics from the feeding
Liz01 wrote:
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16:37 Kati is feeding the little ones :innocent:
Thanks, Liz, for your reporting and pictures. :2thumbsup:

That was a very good feeding! Many small food items, accessible to all. :thumbs:
All have eaten a lot.

16:38:34 I think they are standing in the order of hatching. 1- 2 - 3. (Not sure though)
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16:40:20 #1 is nearly in a food coma and needs a little support. :D
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16:40:41 #3 also needs a rest. #2 seems to be an excellent pillow. :D
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Post by Liz01 » May 17th, 2019, 5:40 pm

17:32:49 the egg looks like a"Schweizer Käse? " :mrgreen:

I see a hole and a "long hole"
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I look for better pictures :bow:

Anne, thanks for the very cute and beautiful pictures. They are so sweet... in a row :innocent:

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Post by Anne7 » May 17th, 2019, 5:41 pm

Liz01 wrote:
May 17th, 2019, 5:32 pm
17:30 she stands up again ... She is not relaxed at all.
17:34 up again ... poor Kati :laugh:
I wonder what is bothering Kati?
Are the 3 storklets moving too much under her belly?

17:34 She is restless, indeed.
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Post by Liz01 » May 17th, 2019, 5:43 pm

Anne7 wrote:
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I wonder what is bothering Kati?
Are the 3 storklets moving too much under her belly?
Nööö, all is ok with her. the fourth will come soon :laugh:

Or take a look here:
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Post by Anne7 » May 17th, 2019, 5:45 pm

Liz01 wrote:
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Nööö, all is ok with her. the fourth will come soon :laugh:
That would be wonderful!
Yes, a "Schweizer Käse" :D
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Post by Liz01 » May 17th, 2019, 5:48 pm

Anne7 wrote:
May 17th, 2019, 5:45 pm
That would be wonderful!
Anne, If you can, look at the egg rolling 17:32:42. You can see the "holes"

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Post by Anne7 » May 17th, 2019, 6:00 pm

Liz01 wrote:
May 17th, 2019, 5:48 pm
Anne, If you can, look at the egg rolling 17:32:42. You can see the "holes"
Yep, you are right!

17:32:49 Come on, little storklet #4, carry on! You are nearly there.
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When Karl II comes home, and gives it a thorough roll, the chick is out.
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