Estonian Osprey Nest (Marko & Miina) 2019

[Bea]

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A note about this sad event is written to Urmas.

[Hellem]

16:53 Again, Miina flew away from the cam stand calling alarm
16:58 She is back on the cam stand with alarm calls

[Gavril]

I don't think UH could have been killed in the nest -- there wasn't time for that. Anyone who saw what happened in the Finnish nest will know (unfortunately) that it takes some time to kill an ospret of this size. Here the goshawk just grabbed UH by the head and dragged it over the side of the nest. So everything really depends (or: depended) on whether the goshawk was able to carry the ospret or not.

It's worth mentioning a very similar attack that was seen about 10 days ago on the Booted Eagle nestcam from Catalonia. There, too, an unfledged eaglet was dragged over the back rail of the nest by a goshawk. The next day some national park workers found the eaglet on the ground below, injured but still alive. The eaglet is now in rehabilitation.

Can be and we have hope?!

[Timea]

I don't think UH could have been killed in the nest -- there wasn't time for that. Anyone who saw what happened in the Finnish nest will know (unfortunately) that it takes some time to kill an ospret of this size. Here the goshawk just grabbed UH by the head and dragged it over the side of the nest. So everything really depends (or: depended) on whether the goshawk was able to carry the ospret or not.

It's worth mentioning a very similar attack that was seen about 10 days ago on the Booted Eagle nestcam from Catalonia. There, too, an unfledged eaglet was dragged over the back rail of the nest by a goshawk. The next day some national park workers found the eaglet on the ground below, injured but still alive. The eaglet is now in rehabilitation.

Wow, thanks, Yitmoth

[Owlie]

I wonder if there is data of bird species fighting against each others physically? How would it go if an osprey fought a hawk in a concrete duel? Both's claws are sharp ... But do birds take "duels" against each others?

[Gavril]

When you watch them for such a long time and begin to love them and then ......

It's true! Every time I order myself not to get used to the birds! But it doesn't work. Just a complete rejection of the nest.

[asteria]

Have to repeat is again: the goshawk should have been caught, the sooner the better. Until it happens, the nest is very risky not only for the chick but also for adult birds. I suspected it will be back again, now it happened. In the case of Stephi it was the same, the hawk was back 12 days later!

[Owlie]

Poor UJ is totally paralyzed of what has happened and no parent comes to bring it back to life ...

[Galina]

17:15 fish delivery. Finally, UJ lifts the head.

[Timea]

17.15

Sweet Marko arrives with a large fish

.... and left again while this comment was posted.

[Chimega]

Have to repeat is again: the goshawk should have been caught, the sooner the better. Until it happens, the nest is very risky not only for the chick but also for adult birds. I suspected it will be back again, now it happened. In the case of Stephi it was the same, the hawk was back 12 days later!

Astoria, ((((hugs)))) Yes, we remember and will never forget Stephi and that awful day.

I had just looked in on this nest an hour before this happened. I can't believe it has happened again. This other chick is in danger. The Goshawk knows it's there.

[Hellem]

17:14 Marko brought a huge fish, is looking around ...
17:16 He flew away with the fish

I still can't believe what happened

[leonia]

Have to repeat is again: the goshawk should have been caught, the sooner the better. Until it happens, the nest is very risky not only for the chick but also for adult birds. I suspected it will be back again, now it happened. In the case of Stephi it was the same, the hawk was back 12 days later!

Asteria, a goshawk is a bird of prey as the osprey is. They both have a right to live and the are not vegetarians as we all know. You are observing a wildlife webcam with all the ups and downs that nature has. Please be patient and show respect for nature's doings!

[Gavril]

17:14. Marko arrived with the fish. While he was hunting, the hunter took his chick!

[Timea]

Asteria, a goshawk is a bird of prey as the osprey is. They both have a right to live and the are not vegetarians as we all know. You are observing a wildlife webcam with all the ups and downs that nature has. Please be patient and show respect for nature's doings!

Well spoken. I am still too emotional to answer, but you choose the correct words, thank you!

[Birdfriend]

17:19 Miina left the cam in a hurry with short call...
17:22 calls again alarm and flies nervous around, the chick is still in flat position.
17:24 Miina is back on the cam.

[Owlie]

Asteria, a goshawk is a bird of prey as the osprey is. They both have a right to live and the are not vegetarians as we all know. You are observing a wildlife webcam with all the ups and downs that nature has. Please be patient and show respect for nature's doings!

The birds don't live on the conditions of cam watchers - and any interfering by humans would be against the nature laws. "Our" cam birds are not our pets.

[asteria]

Astoria, ((((hugs)))) Yes, we remember and will never forget Stephi and that awful day.

I had just looked in on this nest an hour before this happened. I can't believe it has happened again. This other chick is in danger. The Goshawk knows it's there.

The cases in Polish and Finnish osprey nests show that hawks kill all the family, even the fledged ospret and the parents. That is today's reality and only humans can change it.

[asteria]

The birds don't live on the conditions of cam watchers - and any interfering by humans would be against the nature laws. "Our" cam birds are not our pets.

When 10 years ago Urmas caught the marten, stolen the egg from Klaara's nest and moved it to another place, it was normal. Now situation is more serious than in 2009.

[leonia]

Asteria, imagine we would not observe an osprey's nest but that of a goshawk. You would observe the eggs hatching, look at little white dune chicks and see how they grow. One day dad brings a mole the other day something else. What would you say if it brings food? Should he bring vegetables? The chicks would not grow. He needs animal food as well as a WTE, as LSE or GSE and as ospreys. And I am sure, when we would have observed a goshawks nest and offspring we would not cry about the animal food but about a goshaw chick that was caught by a WTE for example. But they are not our pets!