Estonian White-tailed Sea Eagle Nest Camera 2021

[Trine]

Dear all,
some remarks from me also. /---/

Thank you so much. It is very interesting to read the comments by ornithologists.

[Liz01]

NB! Liz - could you fix the term of the EE1 pellet here: summary  of the https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH9eU0Wn9iA I said that a pellet was stuck in EE1 throat. Thank you!

Gunnar, done! I changed it and removed the speculation as to what could be the cause. I also added the link from your posting.

And thank you very much for for your great job yesterday.
I am always amazed, how easy it is to climb such a tree. I would have to gasp for a while after that, assuming I would get up at all. But it must be great to see an eagle's nest.

May I ask how tall the tree is?

[ame]

thank you Gunnar for your detailed report of your visit yesterday. it's almost better to give the report in writing than orally.

and especially thank you for going there!

ps. so the tallness is not a requirement for becoming an eagle man.

[Sabsy]

Dear all,

some remarks from me also. 
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Thank you Gunnar for the information
and the great job you did.

all the best and stay healthy

[chrisitz]

please explain me one thing. we had to watch them dying , and nobody came to help. this is nature. is always the answer. but immediatly after they died it is possible to climb up the tree to look why they died.
the next ones will not have any advantage from this new experiences. ....sorry but I am still sad and cant understand so much

[Trine]

please explain me one thing. we had to watch them dying , and nobody came to help. this is nature. is always the answer. but immediatly after they died it is possible to climb up the tree to look why they died.

First, we did not know that both were ill. If someone had gone to rescue EE2, there is a rather strong possibility that EE1 would have been doomed, even if s/he had not been ill. Because the eagle parents are afraid of people.

Further, such an intervention would have meant that the chick(s) had to be raised by humans, in case they survived. This is surely very difficult; they were still so young. Even if possible, there is a complex question of ethics involved (e.g. we don't know what the eagles would have 'wanted').

But I understand the question and concern, and share the grief and sorrow.

[Rita]

Chrisitz: Just to spin out your thoughts:

Climbing up to an eagle nest with chicks in is different than climbing up an eagle nest with dead bodies of chicks, i.e. in the first case the parents would be extremely scared and in the 2nd case they know that their chicks are dead. That's a big difference.

Your other thought thread: In any case one would have had to take two chicks out, you can't take one chick and sacrifice the other because the parents are so scared that they leave their nest for some time. Trine described that clearly. Exposing the eagle parents to such a (manmade) extreme condition is torture to animals. And what would you do if they would grow up in human care? Just open the door and let them fly? This is unethical.

If you are relating to the Florida eaglets which had been treated in a clinic, these eagles are used to humans around. They sit on a fence and watch the cars drive by. And still this was a risk to take.

May I emphasize again what Trine has said (which I think is of immense importance and should be pondered): '... we don't know what the eagles would have 'wanted' ... '.

Just my 2cts.

(I am also shocked by what happened in this nest - I thought this was the only 'perfect' nest this season. Oh my.)

[Trine]

(I am also shocked by what happened in this nest - I thought this was the only 'perfect' nest this season. Oh my.)

Oh yes, so did I. In my mind's eye I now see some evil gods cackling with laughter: you did not think it was too good to be true, did you?

[Sosna]

Good morning.
I didn't take part in the ongoing discussion about the dramatic events that took place in this nest. I participated very intensively in the obserwation of the life of this pair of eagles and l have some comments that l would like to share with you all. The problem with the cubs began on April 10.lt was hot, the cubs were lying in full sun for about two hours. I think they were overheated, succumbing to hyperthermia, which is confirmed by later symptoms, such as drowsiness, lack of appetite, stomach problems, and conseguently death. I allowed myself to write because the recording can be viewed by specialists and they can analyze these events.
Mr. Gunar, lwould like to share a respect for your work and courage. I salute you.

[chrisitz]

dear birdies. thx for your comments. I just wanted to express my pain. thx also mr . ornitholge for his love for birds. I love them too.

[Glumardok]

In any case one would have had to take two chicks out, you can't take one chick and sacrifice the other because the parents are so scared that they leave their nest for some time. Trine described that clearly. Exposing the eagle parents to such a (manmade) extreme condition is torture to animals. And what would you do if they would grow up in human care? Just open the door and let them fly? This is unethical.

This is not quite true, I think. It has been done with LSEs in the past, very successfully:

https://www.schreiadler.org/wp-content/ ... e-only.pdf

http://www.schreiadler.org/projekte/jun ... anagement/

https://www.dbu.de/123artikel29237_2430.html

Whether it can be done with WTEs as well, is at least an open question.

[Owlie]

This is not quite true, I think. It has been done with LSEs in the past, very successfully:
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Whether it can be done with WTEs as well, is at least an open question.

It is hardly a question of practical realization but an ethic principle matter. There are undoubtedly nest cams in the world for entertainment for a wide public, but as far as I understand so is not the case in Nordic and Baltic countries, here the natural life is respected as itself - the cams are meant for observation for those who wish to learn of the nature - not for treating wild animals as we treat domestic pets or as if we humans owned the wild creatures. Our wishes for happy outcome for all animals is certainly common to us all - but the nature doesn't always work according to degenerated human wishes. - Do we want to learn of it or interfere just because we can? A sad outcome in a cam nest can learn us something for the future - what we could take into consideration in our everyday life, what to consume, what to choose for our own convenience, how to protect environment - in relation to our wild animal fellows. I appreciate Kotkaklubi philosophy and ambitions, I thank for them!

[Liz01]

May 16

Good Morning

all branches are in the same order. Mystical fog


9:37:49 Eagle landed on the nest tree. It sound he flew away again

9:41:11 A bird is on the right and flew off again. too fast for me.. could be it was a blackbird or..? It was a greater spotted woodpecker


it is only one!

[Trine]

10.34 an eagle landed on a branch. Difficult to see who it is. A rather spotty one?

10.37 Oh yes, a juvenile. In the nest now.

[Liz01]

10:37 eaglet visit the nest

10:38




A third winter eagle

[Hellem]

10:37 The young WTE jumped into the nest
10:38 Took a fish
10:40 Took another fish, then the third fish
10:42 Took the first fish again and began to eat it
10:50 The fish is eaten
10:54 The young visitor flew away to the right

[Sabsy]

It is so nice to see how the young eagle looks
at all the fish supplies and can hardly make up his mind

[Liz01]

It looks like it's the third plumage

[ame]

10:37 eaglet visit the nest
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A third winter eagle
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i agree. probably 3rd winter = 4 Calendar Years (4CY) from 2018. a male i think.
he is not quite a baby any more.

btw: a "teenager" eagle in this plumage looks in a way sooo embarrassing.

[Liz01]

ame, thank you for your opinion!

10:54 Eagle went on the right branch and is now out of sight
10:56 hopped back into the nest. It has a nice crop

Eerik and Eve don't seem to be around. The visit would be over quickly

11:00 it took a fish tail and brought it to the left
11:01 he brought the fishtail in front of the nest
11:02 animals are walking under the nest tree. The juvenile is looking to them. I think these are moose

Hellem thank you!

I will do a video, after the visit