Southwest Florida Eagle Cam

[Pennies]

We have the egg #1 in the nest, congratulations F23 and M15! The egg was laid after 5 o'clock in the afternoon yesterday 24th Nov.

[asteria]

Egg #2 was laid yesterday:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1098007 ... 560901217/

[Pennies]

[Pennies]

[Pennies]

[Chimega]

Sunday, December 31st, 2023.

I have never seen an egg in the condition that #2 is in (the one that pipped first? or M15 punctured then crushed) and still have a live, chirping chick in it but that chick is chirping away inside that egg. The #1 egg also has a pip and is coming along, slowly but surely.

[Chimega]

YAY, 1st hatch at approximately 7am, New Year's Eve Morning!

[balistar]

First....

thank you so much for the videos, dear Chimega

and welcome to the world, E23

[balistar]

Sunday, December 31st, 2023.

I have never seen an egg in the condition that #2 is in (the one that pipped first? or M15 punctured then crushed) and still have a live, chirping chick in it but that chick is chirping away inside that egg. ....
...

Second...

Very interesting, that you mention the possible puncturing by M15 on the weird crushed egg2. I'm with you with that tought. The chick inside meanwhile sadly isn't alive anymore (IMO).

I made an observation already on the 30th of December, early in the morning at 06.06.53 - M15 had his talon in.
If accidentally or not, i can't say.


Dec 29 - 22.46 the invertisation has already grown big


Dec 29 - 23.41 it's grown already around half the egg

[balistar]

...
Dec 30 - 06.06 M15 has his talon in ( already Dec 30, 06.06.53 early morning !! )




That's the exact time when i thought he might have pierced the membrane, so that air could come in and start to dry out the membrane from inside, which would make it too hard for the little chick to open the membrane to get to the eggshell for breaking out.


Dec 30 - 07.30 the first blood was seen, later then the blood was seen on several places on egg2


but the blood clearly came from inside - most likely from blood vessels -,
possibly even from both, from chick inside and from the pieces of cracked eggshell cutting the brood patch like AEF did assume.

I was following the chat yesterday morning 8.30, no one mentioned the M15's talon at 06.06 a.m. on the 30th Dec.
I wanted to give this info, but unfortunately i had issues to sign in on chat.

[balistar]

...
Dec 30 - 11.46 seeing the big patch in the middle of pic, this blood clearly is from inside


At this time the chick inside was still seen strongly pressing against the eggshell to break free.
I thought it would need a miracle if this chick would be able to hatch, but still hoped and prayed.
The more blood it loses, the weaker it becomes and would not have the strength to open not even the membrane, which became more and more dried out and too strong (stiff) for the chick to break it.


Dec 30 - 16.34 was the last very little movement i saw - afterwards i saw no more movement of chick :(



I'm very happy that at least E23 hatched successfully and seems to be very strong and talkactive.
Congrats to the lovely new female F23 and of course to the one and only M15 !!
May they have a wonderful season raising up their first chick.
(Harriet in eagles' heaven might be watching ;)


latest info on SWFL chatroll:
"Dec 31, 1:47 PM
dadsjazz: ON THE NEST
M15
We have a Hatch! At approximately 7:03am F23 rose up and E23 was visible. Waiting on official Hatch time. We are evaluating the condition of Egg 2."

[asteria]

Do you remember hatching of E15? It lasted more than two days and it was also blood inside the egg, but the eaglet made it. Maybe E24 also has a chance?

[balistar]

AEF chatroll, right now:

Dec 31, 5:40 PM
dadsjazz (Admin): ON THE NEST
F23
Congratulations to M15 and F23. Welcome to the world E23! Official Hatch Time for E23 is 7:07:05, E23 was completely off of the shell. It is a bittersweet day for All. Egg 2 was compromised, it did not hatch, the chick did not survive.

May it meet his (half-) siblings in eagles' heaven.

[Chimega]

THE EGG AT THE SOUTHWEST FLORIDA NEST, DECEMBER 202312/31/2023 ELFRULER

This is a very detailed report on what probably happened with the 2nd egg at SWFL Nest. This writer gives permission to share.

https://www.elfruler.com/?p=11316&fbcli ... DF4d9g4DGY

[Chimega]

[asteria]

THE EGG AT THE SOUTHWEST FLORIDA NEST, DECEMBER 202312/31/2023 ELFRULER

This is a very detailed report on what probably happened with the 2nd egg at SWFL Nest. This writer gives permission to share.

https://www.elfruler.com/?p=11316&fbcli ... DF4d9g4DGY

It means that hatching of E15 in 2020 was a real miracle. viewtopic.php?t=797&start=5180

[asteria]

Learning Day- First Feeding for both F23 & E23

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugGfzj-vK6o

[Chimega]

Ahhhh well, I have this on video, too, and was going to post it.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

[Chimega]

It means that hatching of E15 in 2020 was a real miracle. viewtopic.php?t=797&start=5180

This is what I was referring to.

As most observers know, a day or two before the external pip in the shell, a swelling muscle in the chick’s neck contracts and pulls up the chick’s head toward the blunt end of the shell. There, it encounters an air cell, a space between the inner and outer membranes that contains a small amount of oxygen. The chick’s pipping tooth, which had formed along the top of its beak about a third of the way through the incubation period, pierces the inner membrane into the air cell. This is called the “internal pip.” It exposes the chick to air for the first time, which prompts the chick’s lungs and its nine air sacs to finalize their development and begin functioning. Over the next couple of days the lungs develop the ability to inhale oxygen and exhale carbon dioxide, gradually relieving the respiratory function of the outer shell membrane, which begins to shut down.

The blood seen on the shell and membrane on the SWFL egg means that the membrane’s capillaries were still performing the exchange of carbon dioxide and oxygen for the chick, that the internal pip probably had not yet occurred, and that the chick’s own internal respiratory system was not yet functioning. Whatever caused the shell to begin breaking, the damage to the membrane interrupted the transfer of respiratory function to the lungs, and the chick’s system probably began to experience oxygen deprivation and carbon dioxide build-up. This weakened the chick and increasingly rendered it unable to break through the dried-up shell membrane.

https://www.elfruler.com/?p=11316&fbcli ... DF4d9g4DGY

[Chimega]