Following Karls' Families

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Re: Following Karls' Families

Post by Liz01 » October 12th, 2019, 7:03 pm

Anne7 wrote:
October 12th, 2019, 6:20 pm
...........
I also think that we must clearly distinguish between an opinion (a possible explanation) and real information.

Liz, why do you suddenly call me Anne7, and no longer Anne, when you talk to me? :puzzled:
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I think I had copied a sentence and then deleted everything except the name. I was on the bike for 4 hours today. Too much oxygen is not good for the brain :mrgreen:

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Post by Anne7 » October 12th, 2019, 7:07 pm

OK, Liz! :D
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Post by Biker » October 12th, 2019, 7:17 pm

thanks, remete1946.
no idea if we get more info, if there are.
i also am curious about a autopsy report.


starving to death...
of course i know that birds can survive many hunger days, more days without food than many other species.
what happens when dying. in the last parts of that process consciousness become less and less, until final loss.
...the mentioned biochemical processes cause this as well.

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Post by Abigyl » October 12th, 2019, 8:50 pm

asteria wrote:
October 12th, 2019, 6:48 pm
It is hard to believe, that it was possible to starve it the region, full of water and frogs. Storks also eat snails and earthworms. It is not a desert.
I think that birds, like other animals or even humans, have in some cases other problems that stop them from eating. it can be a sickness or deformation of an organ.
Only after receiving the results of autopsy, we'll get answers to all or some of our questions.

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Post by juta » October 12th, 2019, 8:53 pm

ORU

Tracker map 11.10 - 12.10.2019

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qQE-v ... sp=sharing

Evening signal didn´t come, but this map is until 14.44 UTC+3
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Post by Hellem » October 12th, 2019, 8:58 pm

12.10 New (the second) update by ORU on the birdmap - 4088 km (+33 km), is flying and sent data from Adana (and Incirlik Air Base) in Turkey

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Post by Anne7 » October 12th, 2019, 9:00 pm

juta wrote:
October 12th, 2019, 8:53 pm
ORU
Tracker map 11.10 - 12.10.2019
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qQE-v ... sp=sharing
Evening signal didn´t come, but this map is until 14.44 UTC+3
Thanks, juta! :hi:

If today, Oru crossed the Gulf of Iskenderun, he may already be in or near Syria. :puzzled:
That could perhaps explain why we didn't receive the evening update.

This morning Oru started to travel at 11:05:41 (UTC+3). Here is his flown route, until 14:40:42 (UTC+3).
Tracker map says that this yellow line is 56,1 km long. That's not a very long distance, in nearly 4 hours flight. :puzzled:
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EDIT: I see now that he had a long feeding stopover between 11:40:43 (UTC+3) and 12:55:42 (UTC+3) :thumbs:
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At 14:40:42, Oru stopped travelling. Speed 0 km/h.
He landed near Dedepınarı, southeast of Adana.
I hope he is OK.
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Post by remete1946 » October 12th, 2019, 9:26 pm

Jo UK wrote:
October 11th, 2019, 7:36 pm
I have sent PM to Sue, but here, I want to say that Mr. LK, Gennadi Skromnov, gave us this forum in 2008. He specified that it shall be an English language forum.
Hi Jo
I looked to Mr. Gennadi Skromnov for God's good health !!! I wish Him another meaningful, long, healthy life!

11 years have passed since its foundation. The world has changed, we who have the technology to communicate between continents,
Sometimes with language difficulties.
It will no longer fit into my life to learn Chinese, but if I find such interesting material, your link will certainly contain the letters of the Chinese alphabet.
Can't you respect Mr. Gennady Skromnov for a concession?
The main language remains English, but you can put the link that quotes the quote if it is in Japanese at that time.
Anyone who understands the language in the original can read the source of the quotation.
To my knowledge, the European Union has 24 official languages. Well, that's not needed here, because in many cases, people who don't speak one language don't understand each other :(
Nowadays the FB is also a power - as I have written - you just need to be able to use it well, and then you will find, for example, a dead bird "crossing borders".

Thank you very much!

P.S.: Fixed it: 13.10.2019. 15:39.
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Post by Anne7 » October 12th, 2019, 9:54 pm

Hellem wrote:
October 12th, 2019, 8:58 pm
12.10 New (the second) update by ORU on the birdmap - 4088 km (+33 km), is flying and sent data from Adana (and Incirlik Air Base) in Turkey
Thanks, Hellem :hi:

ORU
The bidmap and the tracker map do not show the same location.
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I'm happy that Oru didn't stay at Incirlik Air Base. Far too dangerous for little storklets!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incirlik_Air_Base

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Today, there was no birdmap update for Karula.
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Post by remete1946 » October 12th, 2019, 10:03 pm

Abigyl wrote:
October 12th, 2019, 8:50 pm
I think that birds, like other animals or even humans, have in some cases other problems that stop them from eating. it can be a sickness or deformation of an organ.
Only after receiving the results of autopsy, we'll get answers to all or some of our questions.
Dear Abigyl!
Thank you very much for your comment!
Yes, empathy is also a matter of evaluating a situation.
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Post by juta » October 12th, 2019, 10:20 pm

remete1946 wrote:
October 12th, 2019, 9:26 pm
.........
11 years have passed since its foundation. The world has changed, we who have the technology to communicate between continents,
.....
Please raise her problem!
Remete, this forum has worked well in our way and we will not change language rule.
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Post by remete1946 » October 12th, 2019, 10:46 pm

Biker wrote:
October 12th, 2019, 7:17 pm
thanks, remete1946.
no idea if we get more info, if there are.
i also am curious about a autopsy report.
starving to death...
of course i know that birds can survive many hunger days, more days without food than many other species.
what happens when dying. in the last parts of that process consciousness become less and less, until final loss.
...the mentioned biochemical processes cause this as well.
Dear Biker!
Yes, the detailed autopsy results may be familiar.
What I wrote is an assumption - with some practice behind my back - because if there was an external trauma caused by the little rodent its severity was probably visible on the X-ray.
They wouldn't have started the infusion, but would have helped them out with a sad heart.
The epidemiological situation is now quite favorable for birds.
An individual infection cannot be ruled out, but the temperature did not indicate such.
There are many open questions that we ask in vain, for obvious reasons, there is no one to answer.
Surveys are underway, some of which will take days to come.
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Post by Biker » October 12th, 2019, 11:24 pm

yes that is how i had understand: externally not visible injury, only recognizable by X-rays.
i think that is the most difficult "decision" when start "first help" isn't it.
Infusion for stabilize - with the possibility/risk that there are already such severe (ultimately deadly) injuries those not on first sight recognizable.

I'm afraid i am digressing from the topic..

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Post by Anne7 » October 12th, 2019, 11:27 pm

Thank you for the weather report, Sova :wave:

TODAY'S SUMMARY OCTOBER 12

KARULA (Hatched 20.05.2018)
Birdmap was set to spring migration and the new distance measurement started on 15.02.2019
(Total distance on 14.02.2019 = 6606 km)

Birdmap was set to autumn migration on 11.08.2019 and the new distance measurement started on 15.07.2019
(Total distance on 14.07.2019 = 3012 km)
Overall flown distance until 14.07.2019 = 9618 km

Karula arrived at Lake Eber on 17. September (= 25 days)
No birdmap update
(Last birdmap data: 11.10.2019. Distance: 1118 km (+ 2 km in 1 day), at Lake Eber near Derekarabağ in Turkey.)
Weather report on 12.10 in Derekarabağ at 10:00
Temp 2 m above the ground: 19°
Temp 500 m above the ground: 21°
Precipitation: 0 mm
Humidity: 50%
Air pressure: 1025 hPa
Clouds: 0%
Wind 100 m - NE (12 km/h)
Wind 250 m - NE (11 km/h)
Wind 500 m - NE (09 km/h)
Weather report on 12.10 in Derekarabağ at 15:00
Temp 2 m above the ground: 21°
Temp 500 m above the ground: 23°
Wind 100 m - NE (12 km/h)
Wind 250 m - NE (12 km/h)
Wind 500 m - NE (12 km/h)

ORU (Hatched 16.05.2019)
Oru started his first migration on 10.08.2019.
First update
Last birdmap data: 12.10.2019.
Distance: 4055 km (+ 1 km), south of Bekirli, Adana Province, in Turkey.
Second update
Last birdmap data: 12.10.2019.
Distance: 4088 km (+ 33 km on the same 1 day), sent data from Adana (and Incirlik Air Base) in Turkey.

ARU (Hatched 16.05.2019)
Aru started his first migration on 17.08.2019.
Last birdmap data: 09.10.2019. Distance: 1884 km, a little north of Borki in Belarus.
On 10.10.2019, Aru has been found alive, but in poor condition, and has been taken to veterinarians in Pinsk.
On 11.10.2019, Aru died. Age: 148 days (or 4 months and 25 days). 55 days after starting his migration.


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Post by remete1946 » October 13th, 2019, 1:45 am

juta wrote:
October 12th, 2019, 10:20 pm
Remete, this forum has worked well in our way and we will not change language rule.
I understand!
I did not ask for bilingual settings in my request to JoUK.
I asked for the founder's opinion to ask for foreign quotes to be translated into English, indicating the cited text sources because it is fair.
Here, too, happens when you refer to someone blind.
If this cannot be discussed with the founder, then it is not true that
because there is change,
and the birds have a normal body temperature with daily fluctuations of 39.5-42.0 °C.
All the best!
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Post by Michi » October 13th, 2019, 2:14 am

Good late evening, :wave:

A picture from Oru’s yesterdays (11.10.2019) stay near Bekirli, close to the Çatalan Dam Lake.
A very beautiful area!
View to north-east, viewing height is 4,2 km.
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Some pictures from Oru’s todays position, 12.10.2019.
At his last data point in the received tracker map, 14:40 UTC+3, Oru is in large fields.
View to south-east, viewing height is about 1,7 km.
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He has found some trees. As his speed was 0 km/h, he probably rested there for a while. It is likely that he continued his flight, as it is still quite early.
View to south-east, viewing height is 172 m. The picture is taken in February 2018.
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To be continued two postings later ...

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Post by remete1946 » October 13th, 2019, 2:30 am

Anne7 wrote:
October 12th, 2019, 11:27 pm


ARU (Hatched 16.05.2019)
Aru started his first migration on 17.08.2019.
Last birdmap data: 09.10.2019. Distance: 1884 km, a little north of Borki in Belarus.
On 10.10.2019, Aru has been found alive, but in poor condition, and has been taken to veterinarians in Pinsk.
On 11.10.2019, Aru died. Age: 148 days (or 4 months and 25 days). 55 days after starting his migration.


Good night, everyone.
:offtobed:
Thank you very much for collecting!

Date/Time 2019-10-09 08:58:00 (UTC+3)
Battery 54% (3873 mV)
Solar I 0 mA
Light 30
Temperature 32 °C
Accelerometer X=-658 Y=40 Z=-761
GPS fix time 46490 ms
Longitude 26.296871
Latitude 51.902534
Speed 1 km/h
Altitude 150 meters
HDOP 1.4

That's what I gave to the Belarusian helpers.
I don't know who put it all - thank him - because they already knew what to do to find it.
The birds have a normal body temperature with daily fluctuations of 39.5-42.0 °C
All the best!
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Post by Michi » October 13th, 2019, 2:40 am

View on Oru's next stage.

View to south-east, viewing height is 4,4 km.
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View to south-east, viewing height is 14,5 km.
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I cross my fingers for a good arrival on the other side.

Many thanks, Hellem, Juta and Anne, for the updates, trackermaps and pictures from Oru‘s track! :2thumbsup:

Good night everyone.

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Post by juta » October 13th, 2019, 7:54 am

remete1946 wrote:
October 13th, 2019, 1:45 am
I understand!
I did not ask for bilingual settings in my request to JoUK.
I asked for the founder's opinion to ask for foreign quotes to be translated into English, indicating the cited text sources because it is fair.
Remete, I sent you PM and lets close this theme!


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Post by Ari19 » October 13th, 2019, 8:26 am

October 13

Good morning my friends! :wave:

Good to see Oru moving along.
Do we have any idea about his final destination? Eedi goes to Saudi Arabia and, of course, we don’t know where Karl II and Kati go...

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